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12 Jan 2006 14:24 | Dusty | Xbox 360 Xbox360News.com | Link to this article
Some "new" screens of Gears of War surfaced on the web today. Or actually we are not so sure. Although most of you have probably never seen them before; we suspect that some of these screens are over a year old as they look very similar in style to some early Unreal Engine 3 tech demo pics. If you do a Google Image search for Unreal Engine 3, you you’ll see some early UE3 demo pics with GoW monsters in them. Either way I am sure you will enjoy seeing these "new" Gow screens.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Add Comment Unregistered - shabran 01.12.2006 14:50 THIS GAME LOOKS FRICKIN SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET Unregistered - shabran 01.12.2006 14:50 JUST LOOK AT THE LAST SCREENS DETAIL...AMAZING Yo Wassap 01.12.2006 14:51 Man they keep getting better, i will definatly get this game am i 1st aswell? or not let's see Yo Wassap 01.12.2006 14:51 dam you people that was my only chance MerlinZero 01.12.2006 15:01 Yeah this is deff. a game ima get, this will Rival Condemned for freakiest game.... Unregistered - guest 01.12.2006 15:08 is this the killer app? Unregistered - guest 01.12.2006 15:10 what is the release date? Motojass 01.12.2006 15:23 Yes this is the game to get and it will be out late March. Preordered mine today along with Oblivian. *release dates are subjective Unregistered - lil c 01.12.2006 15:35 the pictures are ugly metal gear solid4 rules.playstation3 graphics are better than the xbox360.ken kurtarugi rules xbox360 will not come on top at all. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Unregistered - lol 01.12.2006 15:51 i luv how they come to the 360 news, Sony doesn't have any news and it's been over 5 months. Unregistered - guest 01.12.2006 16:03 IGN says the gameplay is not very good though Unregistered - lil t 01.12.2006 16:06 xbox360 is a worthy component for playstation3.ps3 graphics are better they have a cell processer. that gonna kick xbox360 to the curb.lol lol lol lol lol. tekken 6 coming out for ps3 is beter than dead or alive 4.bluy-ray rules Motojass 01.12.2006 16:10 Do what you have to do to convince yourself the ps3 is worth the wait. Don't come here and act like a childish fool. You have made no significant impact here. owned...that is all Unregistered - 0ldb0y 01.12.2006 16:24 ps3 fan hurt my feelings... I'm a bit perplexed as to why these screens are being published as "news" if the author can't verify if these are the actualy GOW screens. Shouldn't a good news website endeavor to do that rather that just say, "This might be news?" In any event, those graphics look amazing, regardless of what game/platform it is for. As for ps3 fan, is s/he being paid by Sony? Or just idiotically brainwashed himself? I will certainly buy a 360 when I'm able to get my hands on one. I would also like to get a PS3, but I don't know anything about it at the moment... There seem to be many fanboy/psychics out there who "know" that "their" system will be the best, yet don't know proper grammar or how to spell. Unregistered - 9 and 12 01.12.2006 16:35 @9 and 12,dude you ar just pissed off that every video that has ben put out on ps3 was all cgi, and that u cant play this game be cause its not coming out for you gaystation 3, so get the fck out of here Unregistered - lil d 01.12.2006 16:48 number 15 don't get mad at me because they have a much powerful system.sony rules xbox360 gets rolled on.playstation 3 will dominate everything. ha ha ha Unregistered - ok 01.12.2006 16:54 ok, u think its better than x360, wut exactly do u know about ps3 that makes it so much better, lets see, um oh yeah, nothing, u say ps3 is gonna be better cause it has the cell big deal, ibm did bench test on it and news flash buddy, its only about 10% faster than xenon and cell is a b**ch to program for. Red 01.12.2006 16:55 I bet that sh!t sounded smart when you where writing it, didn't it? Unregistered - Jonga 01.12.2006 16:59 #11, in what article did IGN say the gameplay wasn't too good? Link please. Unregistered - @16 01.12.2006 17:04 one last thing at 16, yea iv done my homework on these things so yeah, feel free to talk up your gaystation summore Unregistered - pffffffffffff 01.12.2006 17:08 guys stop this childish crap! 360 and PS3 both are freakin awesome. besides, this is a real next gen game. this is what 3600 needs. The WOW factor! Unregistered - Tiger 01.12.2006 17:10 I know that ps3 might be a little bit better, well is should be if it comes out a year latter the xbox360. I also know that the ps3 is not going to be as good as xbox360 intill the ps3 learn how utilize it power. I stick with x360 myself thanks... :) Unregistered - @21 01.12.2006 17:13 @21, yeah i totally agree with you, they are both great machines, i just hate it when sumone comes on here and talks down the 360 like its a worthless pile of crap. Unregistered - yea 01.12.2006 17:15 yes im comments 23 , 20, 17 and 15, so yea if 16 has something to say lets hear it Unregistered - GOW 01.12.2006 17:18 already have this game preordered two months ago is it march yet? I want to pretend i am destroying sony fanboys aka the locust horde cause that is what they are. after victory the veil of deception by sony will be gone long live 360. hopefully this can become a franchise game for microsoft kinda like what halo has become but we will see I hope so we need more killer apps than halo to compete with sony. Unregistered - tiger 01.12.2006 17:20 I heard may ps3 but wait I even hear dec another year latter hmmmmm, I will get x360.. =o) Unregistered - ! 01.12.2006 17:24 if you wanna blame someone for under delivering it's neither sony nor microsoft, it's nintendo who doesn't even support HD. it's said that revolution is only 2X faster/stronger than gamecube. Unregistered - tiger 01.12.2006 17:29 well let see gamecube is a kids game system, it doesnt need the power, and am sure it will be cheap, I wait and see. x 360 for me... Unregistered - Daniel 01.12.2006 17:31 This game looks even better than Killzone 2. By the way, MSG4's graphics aren't that good. Vivicious 01.12.2006 17:34 Yea, these screens are at least a year old. I had my doubts until seeing the grassy screenshots, they're directly from the UE3 Tech Demo. The game looks alot more impressive now. I saw it in London not too long ago, and for those that haven't seen a recent video yet, check out the Zero Hour footage for example. It can be hard to notice the detail at times because of the shaky cam footage, but those "concept screens" look alot like ingame screens by now, the ingame cutscenes in between look exactly the same. And Fanboys should realise that MGS isn't a big franchise because of it's visuals. I'm sure it will have alot of graphical tricks that we didn't all notice in the presentation, but of course GoW graphics blow it out of the water at the moment. MGS fans should be commending it on gameplay or it's gritty graphical style (Which is why I think it doesn't look as impressive as it could), while GoW graphics have a definite sci-fi fantasy feel. The bats, 3d blood, and amount of detail in general amaze me alot more than anything else so far. Unregistered - tiger 01.12.2006 17:41 I agree with you man on mg4. Idontknow 01.12.2006 17:44 From the videos they show, of them playing the game, the gameplay looks pretty boring and seems like it will get repetitive real quick. One thing that looks kind of stupid is the weapon you use, it's like some bullet-hose/shotgun mash-up(I think it's one weapon). I hope they think of adding a first-person view like Midway did in "The Suffering", I don't know why, but I don't like the third-person view they have that much. Any kind of deathmatch mode for xbox live seems like it wouldn't be fun either(that thought based on the view and weapons). I REALLY hope that this is a good game. Unregistered - savage 01.12.2006 17:47 ps3 dude? jealous much? your posts are out of jealousy of how good this game looks. get a life, loser. your precious mgs4 doesnt even look as good as this game, so accept your ownage and move on. remoteXimpaler 01.12.2006 18:14 why oh why do people that hate ps3 come to this site??? if you hate it so much then leave!!! no one wants to reaad about how theps3 will be "better" they are both going to be awesome just except that. anyways, this game looks unbelievable, i cant wait for it -remote Unregistered - guest 01.12.2006 18:58 http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/680/680220p2.html I noticed the stop and pop style play in all the gameplay videos. I hope there is more to this game as far as gameplay than we have seen so far. Unregistered - bobsworth 01.12.2006 19:12 IGN did not say that the gameplay sucked. They havent even played it yet!! All they said was that they predict that it wont bring anything revolutionary to the table like prey will. THEONENONLY 01.12.2006 19:42 Here come the nuts. Stop hating you ingnorant creep. I also sence a hint of jelousy. Go to the PS3 site and talk about how good it is no one here cares for those ingnorant comments. Unregistered - roninofako 01.12.2006 19:58 360, ps3, 360, ps3.....hell, I'll buy 'em both.... Unregistered - jay 01.12.2006 20:20 im with him ^^^^^^ Mattey 01.12.2006 20:33 i hope all ps3 fans have fun playing sly cooper 5, jack and daxter 4 and rachet and clank 5 on your $1000 piece of S*** PAUL CERULA 01.12.2006 20:34 AHHHH I really hope the gameplay matches how frigging sweet this game is graphically. This is a definate step up in graphics. Some say these graphics look better than the MGS4 trailer...I say you can't tell yet. Mattey 01.12.2006 20:37 Ps3 fans r so ubsesed with hating on 360 games becuz there games that arnt ment for 3 year olds Unregistered - Me 01.12.2006 22:12 It's the Unreal engine..nuff said. Please don't try to put MGS in the same graphical ballpark with anything Epic does from the same generation...it makes you look silly. Unregistered - .... 01.12.2006 22:16 yeh childish games suck but ps3 i admit has some decent games. (even though i hate final fantasy) i just cant see it being good without good online play and halo and nintendo im srry that controller is gayn they r tryin to pull at straws to get back in the gaming world only thing nintendo has is ZELDA which i wish they could just sell to microsoft cuz i could see dishin out a good $100 for a sick zelda on 360 Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 01.12.2006 22:47 This is the best looking game I've seen for Xbox 360 (with Fight Night round 3, Full Auto, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion). I also agree with #30, I think the graphics for the Playstation 3 look great, it's just that, how can I put this in words, Everything on MGS4 look like they've been paste together. On the Xbox 360 the environment blends with everything make it look more real, but with the Playstation 3, you can tell they built the environments piece by piece. If you guys don't understand me SORRY :-) Unregistered - steve 01.12.2006 23:57 First off the playstation is known for coming out with more crappy games than good ones. Second it wont be out in the US for about a year from now, and third when it does come out the graphics will not be next gen because its going to be a pain to program the games with the cell technology it has. So basically your looking at around two years before you see a remarkable game on that system. Meanwhile the xbox 360 will be rockin and a rollin. Unregistered - ?? 01.13.2006 01:03 I think it is funny that the xbox was much more powerful then the ps2 yet, just recently we are seeing games on the xbox that the ps2 can't play because of lack of power. I think that same thing will happen with the 360 and ps3. it will take years before the ps3 starts seeing games that are slightly better then the 360. Unregistered - TRUTH 01.13.2006 07:14 GEARS OF WAR WOW CANT WAIT AND ROLL ON OBLIVIEN AND HALO3. Unregistered - rob 01.13.2006 07:36 how can you judge this game as repetitive from a video?? maybe if you played a demo you could say that but until then please shut the hell up :) Vivicious 01.13.2006 09:00 I've stood next to somebody playing this game (on a gigantic beamer, but he uses a little screen), and the game is not per se about innovation (Like my nr #1 expectation for 2006, Prey), but it def. IS about the gameplay as well. The firefights look intense, some great scripted events (without the scripted AI to back it up some of us have come to hate from games like H-L2) that keep you on your toes. I'd sum it up as an interactive movie experience, and def. not a shooter that you CAN even run through with guns blazing. This is a great thing for this game, because lots of times during other games (FEAR, Doom 3, etc.) you end up focusing more on running around killing everyone than the atmosphere and the game itself. Sure, FEAR had some nifty AI, but that got old pretty quick, and you can still strafe run through the game. The tactical positions these guys take up isn't anything groundbreaking AI wise, but due to the difficulty, we finally have a game where cover fire actually means something. I'm stoked. Unregistered - loop 01.13.2006 10:08 360 sux alot...this game is using Unreal engine 3 that is used on ps1 also..\ so STFU 360 lovers and fans...ps3 rox Unregistered - Jack Bag 01.13.2006 10:34 This engine wasn't even out when the ps1 was around. Why don't you try a little bit of 'shut the hell up'. Unregistered - #51 01.13.2006 10:41 u must lack self confidence in your choice of system if you have to belittle the 360 to make your choice feel vindicated huh? Personally no one really cares it is your choice we are not buying the system for you. So when your PS3 is not double the power of the 360 you can punch yourself in the face repeatedly cause you will have no one to blame but yourself for believing hype if you can't accept developers opinions on which is better than you need your head examined. THE DEVELOPERS HAVE A GREATER KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT EACH CAN DO FOR CHRIST SAKE THEY MAKE THE GAMES NOT YOU NOT ME. NOW ARE U CLEAR ON WHAT YOU SHOULD BE READING UP ON SEARCH ON THE NET FOR DEVELOPER OPINIONS. TO MAKE IT EASY ON YOU MOST FEEL THE 360 IS THE MOST EFFICIENT AT UTILIZING ITS POWER AND EASIER TO DEVELOP FOR. WHILE THE PS3 HAS SLIGHTLY MORE PEAK POWER, WHICH EQUATES TO NOT A BIG DEAL. THE POWER DIFFERENCE WILL BE NOT AS OBVIOUS AS YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. Well anyway I am not trying to disway you from your purchase but stop being an ignorant child. PEACE. Unregistered - RavenSlayer 117 01.13.2006 11:00 #51 the Unreal Engine 3 just came out not to long age so what makes you think it was out for the PS1. Try to research before you talk about things you don't know about like your Unreal Engine 3 for PS1 HA. Yea you PS3 fans need your own websiet to talk about how your system sucks. Unregistered - ps3fan 01.13.2006 11:10 ps3 is better than xbox360 due to the cell prossesor period. and gears of war suck the graphics are terrible.ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.just kidding.sony need to stop showing cgi videos and start puting out games on the floor.anyway both are very powerful systems if sony thinks im gong to buy a $500-$600 dollars for the ps3 it's out of the question period.but for now is WORLD SOFTWARE GIANT BILLION AIR BILL GATES.MICROSOFT XBOX360 THIS YEAR XBOX360 IS GOING TO KICK SONY BUTT WITH THE GAMES THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT.SONY HAS AN EGO WITH THEM WHY YOU THINK TOSHIBA AND OTHER BACKERS OF HD-DVD WENT THAT ROUTE THATS EASY TO PRODUCE. THINK ABOUT IT! Idontknow 01.13.2006 11:17 Hey dumba**, I said the gameplay LOOKS repetitive, not that it is. If you can't read please don't call anyone a retard. I don't have to play something to have an opinion on what I think it MIGHT be, like I said in my post, I REALLY want this game to be fun. I thought Full Auto looked lame, then I was proven wrong when I played the demo(which you can play w/ two gamepads on one car, oxm demo disc), so yes, I may be wrong about the gameplay, but I can still think that it LOOKS repetitive, even though I may be wrong. I have to add that when the Full Auto demo comes out on marketplace, everyone just try it, it is just plain fun, sort of like the old 2d games, just pure fun. Unregistered - STFU Man 01.13.2006 11:25 Why do you get these nerdy little children come on forums/messages boards or whatever to post stupid comments such as "ps3 owns the 360". Do they not realise how stupid they look? Both will most likely be excellent machines. Now stfu with all this sony fanboy crap and go play on your ps2. Anyway, those screens look awesome. Cant wait for this game. Unregistered - rob 01.13.2006 11:43 my problem is retards like you knocking a game you have never played. what in that short video makes it look repetitive? on 2nd thought dont answer let me save you the trouble and call you a retard again... retard! Unregistered - LIL TI TI 01.13.2006 12:58 NINTENDO REVOLUTION IS GOING TO KICK MICROSOFT AND SONY BUTT.JUST PLAYING.XBOX360 IS SHOWING MORE GAMES THAN SONY.SONY HAS NOT SHOWN ANYTHING BUT TO PUT THEIR PLAYSTATION3 BEHIND BARS YOU CAN'T EVEN TOUCH THE THING.TALKING ABOUT LOOK BE AMAZED.BE AMAZED ABOUT WHAT THE PS3 OR GAMES!ANYWAY MICROSOFT HAS A MUCH BETTER SYSTEM THAN SONY.360 MAY BE MARGINALLY POWERFULTHAN PS3.BOTH ARE GOING TO DELIVER.AND ALL THIS SONY CRAP!MICROSOFT XBOX360 IS GOING TO SELL MORE THAN THE PS3 ANYWAY PERIOD DO TO PRICE POINT.AND TO THE SONY FANS OUT THERE I DOUBT THAT THE THING WILL BE READY IN THE SRING!OF COURSE JAPAN IS GETTING IT FIRST WERE THE LAST COUNTRY USA THATS GOING TO GET THAT INCREDIBLE HULK THING.SONY FANS ARE HATING BECAUSE 360 IS OUT AND IF THEY SEEN THAT CES VIDEO OF FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 SONY IS IN TROUBLE. CLAIMING THAT SONY HAS TRUE NEXT GEN GRAPHICS YEAH RIGHT CGI VIDEOS.BUT ALL IN ONE XBOX360 AND PLAYSTATION3 ARE GREAT SYSTEMS.SONY IS GOING TO FOLLOW MICROSOFT FOOT STEPS ANYWAY WHEN THEY LAUNCH.GEARS OF WAR THE METAL GEAR SOLID KILLER!OH YEAH HD-DVD ALL THE WAY.SONY WILL BE CRYING IF BLU-RAY FAILS.EXTERNAL IS A VERY GOOD IDEA FOR XBOX360 IF HD-DVD FAILED MICROSOFT CAN CHANGE IT TO BLUE-RAY.IF BLU-RAY FAILS SONY CAN'T.MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZED THAT WHEN SEGA CD CAME OUT IT FAILED BECAUSE IT WAS AHEAD OF ITS TIME.THIS IS THE NEXT GENERATION.XBOX360 FAN ALL THE WAY.SONY NEEDS TOSHIBA.THE GEARS OF WAR SCREENS LOOKS GREAT.XBOX360 MAY NOT DO WELL IN JAPAN BECAUSE THEY ONLY LIKE RPG AND THEM MIND BOGGOLING GAMES BUT YOUNG JAPANESE GAMERS LOVE AMERICAN GAMES.ANYWAY BLUE DRAGON,LOST ODDESSY,NINETY NINE NIGHTS ,CRY ON,AND FORGOT THE OTHER ONE IS GOING TO KICK SONY BUTT IN THERE HOME TURF. Unregistered - mattolla 01.13.2006 15:16 Am I the only one who thinks full auto is crap??! After playing the demo I was severely dissapointed.Both the control and the grafics were regular xbox quality. Sure it was only a demo,but still looks to be one of the worst looking 360 games yet.I'll wait for burnout 4.1. Unregistered - Sidherich 01.13.2006 15:19 http://static.flickr.com/32/61412279_e364931642.jpg?v=0 ... to remain on topic: those screens look pretty good Unregistered - what 01.13.2006 15:47 the game looks like xbox 1 graphics um i don't see that at all. Never played the game, but looking forward to it. This game looks sweet and people get the idea of photo realism as next gen cause your setting yourselves up for disappointment. PHOTO REALISM isn't the only thing NEXT GEN really. NEXT GEN is interactive environments, such as full destructable, larger game worlds, innovation in gameplay, added features that immerse you further into the game. If all we want games to look like the real places they depict example PGR 3. Then we will never have next gen. A good example of not needing photo realism is Crackdown. The premise of the game and what they have said they want to do with it sounds interesting. But as usual cannot make any comments on theoretical gameplay since i have not played the game or a demo of it. Although if it turns out to be everything that the developers want it to be I will purchase regardless if it is photo realistic. Unregistered - Ebeneezer Scrooge 01.13.2006 16:32 Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever even picked up a PS2 controller. Not that I'd die for my xbox, I just never was interested in playing PS2. Graphics never mattered to me either, I never compared systems. I've only recently discovered the massive division between Sony lovers and Microsoft loyals. My point is, no one needs to fight about this stuff. go with what you like. Before a few months ago I could never picture someone calling someone a retard for liking the console they don't have. As for now, I'll keep loving my 360 and GofW looks breath-taking. And like the past, I just have no interest in PS3, more powerful or not. Unregistered - steve 01.13.2006 18:16 Im going to wait until the PS6 comes out in 2020 its going to kick the xbox360 to the floor. Yea man Unregistered - lil ti ti 01.13.2006 19:27 nintendo is going to kick microsoft and sony butt period.all this bbox360 vs fakestation3 got to stop ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol he he he he he he he he wa wa wa wa wa wa Unregistered - Twister 01.14.2006 07:51 sry a bit off topic but will oblivion have a 3rd person view aswell? Unregistered - TT 01.14.2006 09:05 YES OBLIVION HAS A 3RD PERSON VIEW Unregistered - Twister 01.14.2006 10:07 a 3rd person view for everything? if it does then its a must get for me Unregistered - BASZS 01.14.2006 10:57 SORRY TO DISTURB BUT IVE GOT FRESH NEWS NEXT-GEN MOHAA link http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=928812&postcount=38 SCANS for ps3 BUT ALSO FOR XBOX 360 Mattey 01.14.2006 12:57 Ps3's launch titles are doing to be, like MGS4 and GTA5, then Tekkkken 8 Unregistered - Hi, I'm bill. 01.14.2006 14:22 What about gameplay. Has any info been released? PAUL CERULA 01.14.2006 15:16 #70, Mattey MGS4 is set to launch in 2007....so that could be almost 2 years Unregistered - jay 01.14.2006 17:59 SERIOUSLY IF I HEAR ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE CELL PROCESSOR BEING ABLE TO DO THIS...N DO THAT!!!!I DONT CARE...IF THATS WAT FLOATS URE BOAT..ALL TEREFLOPS AND CRAP LIKE THAT THEN KOOL BUT DONT SLAG EACH OTHA OFF!!!I AM NOT A FANBOY OR WATEVA U LOSERS CALL EACH OTHER..I JUST WANT TO PLAY GREAT GAMES NOW...AND AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED I HONESTLY THINK SONY UNDERESTIMATED MS AND NOW THEY ARE FU#*ED!!!i will DEFINATELY BE BUYING AN XBOX 360...ITS AN AWESOME MACHINE WITH GREAT GAMES COMING OUT FOR IT...PS3..HMMM...SHOW ME PLAYABLE DEMOS OR F#CK OFF!THE GRAPHICS ARE GOING TO BE AROUND THE SAME....OR XBOX 360 THAT IVE BEEN READING MAY IN FACT BE AN ALL ROUND BETTER CONSOLE...I COULD BE WRONG BUT IM SURE SONY ARE STARTING TO WORY ESPECIALLY WITH NO SHOW PLAYABLE DEMOS AT CES WITH ONLY A FEW MONTHS TILL ITS 'SPRING' LAUNCH...KINDA SOUNDS LIKE THEYRE HAVING SERIOUS PROBLEMS TO ME!!!!i think its great for companies to push each other as we the consumer benefits from this with great consoles but for f#ck sake...ppl that say stuff like ps3 will own xbox 360 in terms of graphics are seriously SERIOUSLY STUPID!!!! Unregistered - lagizztic 01.14.2006 19:03 Full auto is crap. Unregistered - mattolla 01.13.2006 15:16 Am I the only one who thinks full auto is crap??! After playing the demo I was severely dissapointed.Both the control and the grafics were regular xbox quality. Sure it was only a demo,but still looks to be one of the worst looking 360 games yet.I'll wait for burnout 4.1. Yea okay full auto is more fun to play then burnout! As for ps3 I seam to remember the harddisk drive according to sony being packed full of demo's and media. what was it? a $100.00 peice of junk scratched for a smaller slim version online out of box. Then sony didn't want to share sales with interlogic so they created the boomerang controller smart move on sony's part yea right! Now the cell processer with no bandwith in a online generation of gamers another smooth move on the part of sony yet again! Bottom line until sony shows me proof I'll call their bluff! I predicted back in the day that they would destroy nintendo and sega they did! Now I predict that Microsoft destroys um all we'll see what happens! sincerly, a ticked off ex playstation fan LAGIZZTIC Unregistered - jess 01.14.2006 21:49 if all these ps3 lovers are so confidante about your ps3 then why the HECK do you come here and COMPLAIN about your problems. when no one even cares cause 360 has h3, oblivian, final fantasy now (one of your main games), and gears of war so STFU remoteXimpaler 01.14.2006 22:10 hello Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 01.15.2006 01:14 I just got done watching Game Head on Spike TV and a guy from Blur Studios (if you don't know who they are they are a company that makes cutmovies for video games) said that the Killzone 2 demo at E3 was just a cutvideo and not real gameplay. He also said that they (I don't know who) asked them to do it and they turn it down, but they did say that a company in Europe was making the video for like 6 months. Now, don't get me wrong I like the playstation 3 and I think the games will look great, but this clearly shows that Sony's been all bs on their next-gen graphics. I would just say this to all Sony fans, stop talking sh#t about Xbox 360 because the way it looks Sony is playing you guys for fools. PAUL CERULA 01.15.2006 01:35 #77, Yeah it was pretty much in the bag that killzone 2 was fake but always good for conformation. In my opinion MGS4 trailer was also not authetic. But in 2007 (aka almost 2 years) those graphics will be very close to met. Unregistered - Tha L 01.15.2006 10:53 what it comes down to the games i had the ps2 and loved the GAMES not the console and i didnt get the xbox beacause i not i fan of fps's and it didnt have the games i was into but that changed when i played halo 2 that game was really good but one game is not enough for someone to get a whole console. so i got wat console had the best GAMES for me and i will be doing it again this time round and u guys dont u think its kinda pathetic that ur cursing and "flaming" each over over a peice of plastic and a couple of wires in em there just games consoles remember that thats my two cents anyway PEACE !! Mattey 01.15.2006 11:05 Thats true i guess, but then again i wouldnt be suprised if ps3 lanches 2007 as well Unregistered - wicked city 01.15.2006 11:58 I just can'trash talk the PS3 anymore! The more I think about it why did I trash talk it to begin with! I love games and I know it will be a big let down but maybe when the ps4 launches they will have theyre stuff together and deliver on some of their promises! This show in london on March 1st and 2nd should be interesting to see if the Ps3 will deliver but I have a feeling it won't and will be nothing more then a stunt to make people wait for its launch! I remember my 1st time seeing this game and can't wait to see the final version! Apparently we have an onslaught of games coming by the summer and I just can't wait to see whats in store! Unregistered - mattolla 01.15.2006 12:19 Has anybody heard if there is an "official" release date for the ps3? All I keep hearing is "SPRING 2006".---Spring is not that far away.My EB Games will not take ps3 pre-orders because they still have no confirmation as to when it will be released.I will be VERY surprised if sony meets thier deadline.We all knew about the 360's release date 6 moths in advance......Any thoughts?? Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 13:01 Did anyone notice, the screens aren't ingame, there is no HUD, they show nothing of how the game will look when playing it, it might look like ass for all you know. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 13:42 The only advantage of the PS3 its the 1080p capabillity, but hey NOT everybody have or can buy a HDTV with that capabillity. Its everygame in the PS3 coming with the 1080p? But i stll asking my self, Why the demo of Fight Night Round 3 looks the same in both consoles if Sony its using a blue-Ray Disk? Do we really need Blue-Ray Disk? The HD-DVD give same quality image? yup! the only difference here its the amount of space, but hey theres a 40gb HD-DVD coming soon! Why its Sony offering the Blue-Ray Disk format in PS3 1st instead of the Movie players? (Blue-Ray format more expensive) its sonylandia taking advantage of poors sonylandiafanboys? but hey we will see the same story of Betamax (Blue-Ray) and VHS (HD-DVD). Stop been such a fanboyz (this go to everybody, Nintendo, Xbox & PS) and start making research about the technology used in each console. Does HD-DVD's have more to offer us? Whose the winner here? IBM! What happend if the Blue-Ray fall to his knee in front of HD-DVD? yup your PS3 games use Blue-Ray!!!!!!!!! Planning to work more hours just to buy a PS3 Videogame Console? Shame on you, theres people starving in the world and u don't want to work more hours to help them and instead you do it for a Videogame console that its going to offer u the same quality in graphics? ???????? WTF? Look to where The Revolution & Xbox360 are heading. YEAH THE FUTURE ITS IN THE ONLINE EXPERIENCE soon we are not going to need Disks for game console Look to what I-pod its doing with the music, Now imaging the next consoles in around 6 years with the same idea!!!!!!!!!!!! NINTENDO & XBOX are BIG STEPS in front of Sony!!!!!! DON'T U SEE IT SONY FAN BOYZ!!!!!!!! OH don't ignore MTV, Direct TV & XBOXLIVE mix. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 13:52 Where its the hud in MGS4? and in Kill Zone? Unregistered - Business man 01.15.2006 14:15 So you are saying all PS3 tech demos like Killzone is a 100 percent fake? That could be true, because the games just look too perfect to have any problems and everybody knows that everything is not perfect. Sony need to show games with gameplay. 77# show that info to that PS3todaycom game site, so sony fans can see. Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 14:23 "But i stll asking my self, Why the demo of Fight Night Round 3 looks the same in both consoles if Sony its using a blue-Ray Disk? Do we really need Blue-Ray Disk?" I ask myself why Timesplitters 2 looks identicle on both PS2 and Xbox, maybe it is to do with useing a cross platform engine? Its obvious if you use a specialized engine on a console, you can take full advantage of the hardware, EA isnt useing a specialized engine, its a cross platform engine, thats why they look identicle. Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 14:29 What # 77 posted is bull, there is a Q&A with a dev on the beyond 3D forums, he is asociated with guerilla games, why dont you read what he says? Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 14:37 "Originally Posted by poster Also I just wanted to know if the E3 presentation of Killzone 2 was in real-time or if it was just cg. Because I know a lot of people who say that the video is fake and I really want to prove them wrong. GG dev: As for the E3 presentation, it was not running live on Dev Kits, as the final spec dev kits did not exist for E3. It was created to the specs of the PS3 and represents what we feel is achievable on PS3." http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27218 Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 14:58 Great GOW screens BTW! About the 1080p support. For 3D games, 1080p support is less important in the sense that if you were fill-rate limited (i.e. anti-aliasing), you'd be comparing a 60 frame-per-second 720p game against a 30 frame-per-second 1080p game. In many cases, you'd want the 720p60. Likewise, if the graphics are so complex, 30 frames-per-second refresh rates may only be achievable at 720p resolution. The need for both 720p and 1080p gaming is identical for the need for 720p and 1080i broadcast formats. There will be certain games that benefit from the higher resolution while others will benefit from the faster frame rates. Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 15:15 I don't know about you but I would take the faster frame rate games in 720p with full Anti-Aliasing. Sony has pulled another blinder over the PS3 fanboys eyes because they don't pay attention to the wording Sony uses. Sony claims they can achieve 120 FPS but not fill-rate (anti-Aliasing) limited and at what resolution? I can easily pull off 135 - 200+ Frames-per-second on my PC in a benchmark with anti-aliasing turned off but when I turn it on I get around 30 frames-per-second. The resolution also makes a difference which is the part Sony speaks under their breath & wants you to focus on the fact that the PS3 can achieve 120 frames-per-second. Unregistered - cjpimpizl 01.15.2006 15:25 yes i finnaly went to best buy to get my 360 returned and now they will call me wen they get one in Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 15:31 What you have just said doesn't prove PS3 will run at 30fps @ 1080p if that is what you were trying to imply, or maybe you know what the final PS3 specs are hey?... no I didn't think so. BTW all those saying PS3 = X360 funny how the Tecmo president Yoshimi Yasuda doesnt think so "Yasuda has previously been critical of Sony for its lack of information regarding the PS3. In this interview, he takes a neutral approach to all three next generation systems, citing the Xbox 360 for its internet support, Revolution for its unique interface and PS3 for its visual power." http://ps3.ign.com/articles/681/681199p1.html He likes PS3 for its "visual power" Unregistered - lonelygoner 01.15.2006 15:39 THIS IS A XBOX 360 SITE!!!. dont come here to trash talk the system. dont hate aprciate. GEARS OF WAR is gonna be awesome. to the 360 fans check the bestbuy site. they post GOW as being release tomorrow. check it out. might be a typo .just be warned. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 15:50 the only way that you will enjoy the power of the PS3 its going to be in it 1080p resolution Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 15:56 "THIS IS A XBOX 360 SITE!!!. dont come here to trash talk the system." That sounds familiar, I hear that all the time on PS3Today, but do the Xbugs listen? NO! so why should PS3 supporters not say what they want on here? The NON in-game pics look great, wonder what it will look like when playing it? looks like M$ can do smoke and mirrors too, the thing is M$ knows the real deal is coming to PS3, so M$ have to resort to smoke and mirrors to keep its fanbois. Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 16:08 I wouldn’t worry about Gears being nothing less than an amazing game. I mean after all this is Epic were talking about here (the creators of Unreal games like UT2004 and the creators of the dominant Unreal game developing tools and the much anticipated Unreal game engine 3.0. I'm very confident in Epics ability to produce an awesome game as their reputation precedes them. For more info on Unreal Engine 3.0, which BTW Sony has even bought a license for their game development (because we all know Sony needs as much help as possible) go here: http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/homefold/home.shtml Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 16:09 Ok this is turning into an all out battle. If there is one thing the Xbox 360 has a definite advantage over the other systems right now and that is a well balanced development environment. It's hard to really get a sense of how good the Xbox 360 development environment is in comparison to the competition. While PS3 and Revolution developer materials and hardware exist, there's still time for Sony and Nintendo to evolve and improve their documentation and tools. At the same time, while Xbox 360 has an existing development environment, you can be sure that it too will evolve over time to meet new requirements. That said, in a chat with several multi-platform developers, it's unanimous that the documentation and tools of the Xbox 360 are exemplary. They've said that it substantially better than the PS3 and is even better than Nintendo's development tools in some ways. This is an important comment because Nintendo has long been considered the benchmark and because the Xbox 360 is inherently a more complex machine. Ease of development means that developers need to spend less time figuring how to make a feature work, and more time figuring out if the feature is *fun* and right now, the Xbox 360 has the best development environment. This is a result of game design innovation that very much affects game play. Furthermore, an advantage in this area definitely has led to more developers jumping on the Xbox 360 bandwagon which in turn results for more higher-quality games at a more mass-quantified pace. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 16:14 its ok (in my opinion of course) that people from ps3sites come here and talk all the trash they want its, ok cause that make us do better research of each console and see wich console fit us better . in my opinion 360 its for me. for $400 they are giving me all they promise. Sony? mmm how much????? When? same graphics???? well right now i care more about gameplay and new ideas and Big enviroments like xbox360 its offering! ( http:arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars?83366 ) oh and another thing theres a stunning graphics RPG coming to Xbox360 go to ( www.oxm.co.uk ) and look for "Project Offset Trailer". Enjoy it! Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 16:15 Did you miss this one? Microsoft: Xbox 360 Slightly More Powerful Then PS3....http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/ Microsoft:_Xbox_360_Slightly_More_Powerful_Then_PS3_8996_0_16.htm Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 16:21 thats why im sending you guys this: ( www.arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars?83366 ) Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 16:29 And here's the ownage: As I look back at my old Xbox or PS2, and the game cube, I have realized how much more Next Gen the X360 really is. I can't imagine going back to such an extinct dinosaur system. After truly owning an X360 hooked up to the internet and having a windows XP computer connected wirelessly to the X360 two stories down, accessing the HDD for my 2 gig's of MP3 music files played through my X360 that's hooked up to my surround sound and HDTV, not to mention the XLIVE community, friends list, voice chat, downloadable arcade games, downloadable game demos (20 second download), downloadable music videos, HD movies on my PC hard drive streaming through to the X360 , works as a DVR (or Tivo if your cable supplier offers it like Direct TV is compatible with Windows and X360), etc. etc. I just look back and say WOW! It really impresses all my friends and they are simply blown away by the network I have going all revolved around the X360. Even more impressive is the graphics and power of the system. Oh yeah, not to mention: Oblivion Halo 3 Fightnight Round 3 Gears of War KOTOR COD 2 DOA 4 Ninja Gaiden 3 and many more great titles to come…… Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 16:34 Good read on the arstechnica 360 article. Hey do you have a Gamertag? add me to your friends list: Xtrm Liability Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 17:29 I have not even begun to scratch the surface of the gamer in mind that MS thought about. The XLIVE gamertag has come along way. I really like how people can look up my gamer score and achievements on each game I have played for bragging rights and I can look up theirs. I can tell Xlive to hook me up in a game with people of the same skill level. I can look back at the past 20 people I played online with and send an invite with a voice message to my friends list if I liked playing with him/her. Then, they can choose to accept or decline and even tell XLIVE to never play with me again if they so choose or I can tell the system to never accept a message from a certain person again if they keep bugging me. I can go back and easily look up the past few player I recently played with and give anybody a reputation score review and say I liked playing with that person so Xlive will set me up to play with them again or I could tell Xlive that the person curses a lot and tell Xlive to never put me in a game with them again. While I am playing a game or watching a movie I get a quick notification on the screen that says (Zucas has just signed into XLIVE) if he is on my friends list. Any friend who signs in, XLIVE will notify you. With in that message I can see a picture of the XBOX ring of light. If the upper left light is on that means he has one controller hooked up with one player. if the upper left and upper right lights around the circle is lit I can see he has two players connected to his X360 etc. From there I can see what game Zucas is playing and I can tell Xlive to put me directly in the game session he is playing at that time. I can tell the System to show me as offline, or away or online for privacy. I can set up a personal voice chat with Zucas that nobody else can hear on a certain com of my choice and even talk to zucas while I'm watching a movie and he is playing Halo. I can tell the system to output the voice chat sound through the speaker, the headset or both. There is up to 5 different coms to set each friend on a different one. If anybody wants to voice chat with me the system will give me a notice saying someone want's to voice chat with you and you can except, put your headphone on, and chat away or you can simply decline the voice chat. If someone want me to join a game with them the system will notify me saying such and such wants you to join their game, do you accept or decline? You just click OK I accept then your in. Everything works flawlessly. I love playing Call of Duty 2 online with the voice chat because the other team cannot hear your own team’s voice chat. It's really cool because you can tell your team mates if you spotted an enemy, where the enemy is located at, or call out for help or tell your teammate, I have your back, taking out the sniper, or I have a visual on their flag take out the enemy in the northwest 2nd floor building and I'll grab it, cover me, roger that, clear the way I'm throwing a frag grenade, I took out the sniper it's clear, let's move out, etc. etc. All the while, your gamer score goes up, your reputation can go up, and you meet new friends. It's a blast! You just can't get this from Nintendo or Sony. Not like this! Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 17:36 "I just look back and say WOW! It really impresses all my friends and they are simply blown away by the network I have going all revolved around the X360. Even more impressive is the graphics and power of the system." Just wait till PS3 arrives. Which processor do you hear IBM talking about so much? is it the X360 processor? nope its Cell. The HDD in X360 is a cheap and slow HDD and M$ charge (rob) you $100 for it, with only 13gig available to the user. A segate rep at CES who his company makes HDD for MS, was amazed at how cheap M$ is with the HDD calling it cheap slow junk. The add-on HD-DVD will cost you around $200-$300 to watch high def movies, but wait what happens when the format fails? oh my what a disaster, you will have to buy all your films again for M$ blu-ray add-on drive, now isnt M$ clever he thinks of everything doesn't he? especialy $$$. 100BASE-T support for X360 its hardly future proof either, PS3 will have a 1000BASE-T ethernet adaptor, couple that with the Cell broadband engine, and you have a superfast internet connection for future faster internet speeds. PS3 has blu-tooth support something X360 doesn't, aswell as a range of input slots that X360 also doesnt have, PS3 isnt no console like X360, its a media centre, no need to have a PC, PS3 will support a version of the Linux operating system on the variouse sized HDD's, not a measly 13gig. Basicaly what I'm saying is, X360 is a rip-off $400 for console $200-$300 for add-on next gen video player or a standalone $1000 - $1800 Cheap small HDD only supports DVD-9 games (Dual layer DVD) Have to use PC for some of X360's potential X360 has 10 times slower ethernet Doesnt have all the slots or blu-tooth connection like PS3 PS3's estimated retal price $399-$499 X360's price after buying HD-DVD drive $600-$700 + $100 for each additional HDD when you fill your current one. Remember Hi-def is next gen paying for and downloading hi-def media will take up lots of space and require a fast connection, this is what Sony has in mind and is not so far in the future. My internet speed has increased to 4 times the speed I was on just this month, at no extra cost With all that said do you realy think Sony will skimp on an online service? when they clearly made PS3 an internet machine? I dont think so, I think alot of people are in for a lot of surprises, when PS3 is shown, which I believe could be February. Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 01.15.2006 18:08 What I said was not bs!!! If you don't believe me watch Game Head this week on Spike TV. The guy from G4tv.com the show interviewed the main guy from blur studios and the dude came out and said that they turned down the job to make the video for Killzone 2. I don't know when the show comes on, but I do know it comes on this week. Keep and eye out for it on Spike TV. Just to clear things up, I like all the next-gen consoles (why the hell do you think my name is "Next-gen fan") but when you got someone that talks alot of bs ("cough Sony cough") I think that you have to look at the situation and realize that Sony lied to all of us!!! I knew they were lying about their console the moment they said their console was 35X more powerful than the Nintendo Revolution. Everyone knows that the Revolution isn't going to be as powerful as the X360 or the PS3, but Nintendo hasn't even showed the specs for the Revolution, so my point is how can you come out and say or sh#t is 35X more powerful than the Revolution when the specs for the Revolution isn't even out yet? Sounds fishy doesn't it!!! Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 18:09 do you believe that your sony ps3 its coming with a HDD? hey external HD-DVD or Blue-Ray its just for movies and its an option! Xbox its no so intersted in movie businness like sony. Sony want u to have a PS3, HomeTheater, HDTV, Digital Camera, Video Camera & Computer with the name of sony on it. What was the big step on PS2 for sony? the DVD player feature! its the same again now with the Blue-Ray! Videogame console its all i want!!!!!! HD-DVD its not going to be a 30 or 40gb only disk. Helloooo!!!! Blue-Ray disk player are not going to play DVDs / Hello the consumer its going to choose betewn the Blue-Ray and HD-DVD's and how many people in the world have a PS2 hello!!!!!! and now how many people in the world have DVD's Players?????? HD-DVD's are more closer and cheaper than Blue-Ray disk to the consumer. The consumer its going to choose thats why right now Microsoft its going with the external BLUE and HD DVD. Sony its making you think that the Blue-Ray is the only way to enjoy Good Quality Hi Def Movies! BU77 S41T!!!!! Unregistered - mattolla 01.15.2006 18:15 Which february?? 2007?? How can you talk about it unless you've tried it??Do you have a ps3???...No......Do you have a 360????........ Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 18:21 The N its the Big menace in Japan for the PS3. Not the Xbox of course XBOX its a American product and japanese are loyal to their products HELLOO!!!! but hey don't forget that the Nintendo Ds outsell every console and portable in japan. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 18:25 do u still believe that Europe and America are really waiting for PS3? Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 18:40 "do you believe that your sony ps3 its coming with a HDD?" No, that option is left open for the consumer to decide which size they want to purchase instead of landing you with a HDD like M$ that is clearly too small. Yes you can delete stuff that you have PAID for if you want, you can download 1 9gig game play it then have to lose it to fit another film or game on their, great stuff M$ "hey external HD-DVD or Blue-Ray its just for movies and its an option!" An option Sony includes in its Console price, with the most support and is already said to be the winner by many experts. Blu-ray will also be used for games on PS3 not just movies, so no disc swapping in the future. "HD-DVD its not going to be a 30 or 40gb only disk." Blu-ray its not going to be a 25 single layer 50gig dual layer, there are 200gig disc's in the lab as we speak. "Helloooo!!!! Blue-Ray disk player are not going to play DVDs" Helloooo!!!! READ the specs for the drive, it plays all blu-ray formats all DVD formats and all CD formats, jeez what a fool. "Hello the consumer its going to choose betewn the Blue-Ray and HD-DVD's and how many people in the world have a PS2 hello!!!!!! and now how many people in the world have DVD's Players??????" How many people will have PS3? its estimated that at the end of PS3's life it will have sold 200 Million, thats alot of consumers. Like I said blu-ray drives support backwards compatibility with DVD. "HD-DVD's are more closer and cheaper than Blue-Ray disk to the consumer. The consumer its going to choose thats why right now Microsoft its going with the external BLUE and HD DVD. Sony its making you think that the Blue-Ray is the only way to enjoy Good Quality Hi Def Movies! BU77 S41T!!!!!" Sorry to say But blu-ray has far more people backing it, the price will come down, soon as plenty of PS3's are sold to recoupe for R&D costs. HD-DVD wont sell as well on X360 as blu-ray will on PS3, think about this will you, you fool. Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 19:10 I think your getting your wires crossed somehow, Guerilla Games made the CGI to the specs of PS3 that they thought was possible, why would guerilla games get another company to make their CGI? that doesnt make sence. Maybe they got a company to put the CGI on suitable media for E3? Guerilla make their own stuff, why would they pay someone to do the work when they can do it themselves, just not logical. Unregistered - Ja Ja Ja 01.15.2006 19:25 20 HD its not the only HD that its coming for the X360, but at least they put us 1 in the $400 price console. How Much for your sany? How much for a HDTV with a 1080p on it ? its impresive that u guys still believe that the ps3 its going to look better than the 360 in 720p Unregistered - sprinter 01.15.2006 19:56 20 HD its not the only HD that its coming for the X360, but at least they put us 1 in the $400 price console. I would rather do without, do you mean to say $100 for 13gig of available space is worth the money? I say your being ripped off. I dont remember M$ saying they plan to release a larger HDD, where did they say that? "How Much for your sany?" I'm not sure how much the HDD's will be for PS3 and dont realy care, its an option to buy one anyway. If I was to choose between a HDD option or have built in Blu-ray, it would defenately be blu-ray, its worth more money. How much for a HDTV with a 1080p on it ? Also another option to buy a TV which supports 1080p now or in the future when prices come down. yes PS3 is future proof, didn't you know? its impresive that u guys still believe that the ps3 its going to look better than the 360 in 720p It will look better in 720p, Tecmo president Yoshimi Yasuda said so ("PS3 for its visual power") Unregistered - Sprinter 01.15.2006 20:29 Hey Xtrm, did you read who said X360 was slightly more powerfull? it was Microsoft's Bryan Lee, guess what another ridiculous person thinks at M$ too? CEO Steve Ballmer thinks X360 will outsell PS3 LOL what a nutcase, especialy after watching this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3446931931514285011&q=steve+ballmer and this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4696129852063198976&q=steve+ballmer Oh BTW here is where Ballmer says X360 will sell more http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=14059 They cant even give X360 away in Japan, the second largest video game territory. M$ just get more rediculous the more they say, I suppose Ballmer has a crystal ball to know about Sony's online plans too, M$ are 1 big joke and you Xbugs are even worse for believing this rubbish and letting M$ rape you of your $$$ $100 for cheap slow 13gig space HDD, standard cheap DVD installed, slow ethernet no blu-tooth and lots more and you know it, well anyway you do what you want guys, I got stuff to do now, not hanging round here anymore, I've gave my true opinion, its upto you to except the truth, dont let M$ keep rapeing you up the A$$ Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 20:46 Damn you guys are still going at it. The proof is in the pudding so to speak as we all know game developers are making statements that the Xbox is equivalent in power to the PS3. Am I to believe “PS3 GUY” on the forums has extensive knowledge on the subject over a skilled game developer (cough Hideo Kojima cough) who probably has his masters with years of development under his belt? Not to mention both dev kits in their possession to directly experience the power of both systems. It’s absolutely absurd. Nonetheless, I do think that COD 2 looks just as amazing as Counter Strike Source on my $3000 PC (make no mistake about that) and the game play takes a whole new path of game design innovation. Not to mention the graphically stunning beauty of DOA 4. Has anybody had a chance to see the new Gear of War screens? How come I'm playing Fightnight Round 3 demo (2 months before it's even released)on the X360 and it looks identicle to what Sony showed at E3? Hmmmmmm? Hmmmmmm. I do believe that Sony still controls the smoke screen and has a large base of baffled PS3 fan boys. These consoles are not super computers nor can they dispense a golden egg if you pop a nickel into them. Don’t get me wrong, I agree the Xbox 360 is an amazing piece of hardware in its own right for the money. I believe the PS3 fan boys are setting themselves up for a major disappointment. What you see on the Xbox 360 is equivalent to what you’re going to see on the PS3. Ohhh but XLIVE add soo much more to a consol it's not even fair. Sony has STATED THEY HAVE NO PLANS FOR A STRUCURED ONLINE. Savy? Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.15.2006 21:43 One more thing, you mentioned that MS lacks HDD capacity and Bluetooth. Well IGN has an article stating that the X360 will offer a larger HDD at the end of 2006. When Sony comes out with the PS3, It’s not going to be hard or very expensive to add a 1 GIG Ethernet adapter as they are very cheap even for your average consumer. As for Bluetooth devices, all MS simply have to do is create a Bluetooth protocol software update for download to the 360. As you should know that Bluetooth devices hook up through a USB port access point, problem solved. Anyhow, I don’t see any innovation in game play or innovation in game design from Sony. All I’m seeing from Sony is a bunch of pre-rendered video demos (except for one game play demo & the X360 actually looked better on the same demo) an Sony jumping up & down screaming blu-ray. Sony has no plans except to win the next generation disk format, that’s it! I want more than a High Definition movie player and last generation game play because Sony has no innovation in the whole “game play” experience. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 22:23 Sony have no Online structure planned for PS3, its going to be more of the same. Instead they make a clone from XBOXLIVE!!!! aaahhhhh uuuuuhhhhh thats low!!!!!! I told you that there was another HDD coming, more bigger the way u like it Sprinter. I can't wait to see whats its going to happen the 2006 holiday. FOR REAL i don't see anything in the ps3 that its going to make buy it the moment they launch, instead im going to buy in his 3rd year just for games like Gran Turismo and Ace Combat. I prefer SPLINTER CELL Over Metal Gear, and dude i know metal gear since "Nintendo". To be honest im tired of PS many sequels. Final Fantasy???? hey the only great final fantasys in PS are FF7, FF9, (Best ending by the way) FF Tactics, of course FF11 Japs games are starting to look the same ideas again & again. I like FF but can u compare any FF game with Knights of the Old Republic series (and no im not a big Star Wars fan). FreeMonk 01.15.2006 22:33 I agree with some of the points that Xtrm has mentioned. From what I've seen so far, it does looks like that Sony are trying to sell the Blu-Ray Technology rather than the PS3. Sony have been down the road before where they have lost out to a someone else (Betamax lost to VHS, Minidisk lost out to MP3's), and they have found a sure fire way of making Blu-Ray a success. They've learnt from the PS2 experience that if they add the Blu-Ray technology to the PS3 like they added the DVD player to the PS2, it will make Blu-Ray the standard, and therefore make more profit from stand-alone machines, Blu-Ray movies etc etc that the sell. Will this work, yeah, I guess so! Will the PS3 lose any of it's quality!? No, it won't. The problem might be the price. Somehow I can't see the PS3 selling at $399 or even $499. With Blu-Ray machines and HD-DVD machines going out at nearly $1500 at the CES event, somehow $500 doesn't seem likely. Now this is where Microsoft have been clever, because they've sold a machine without a HD-DVD drive, therfore keeping cost's down. They have stated that if they decided to sell a HD-DVD drive in the future, it won't be used for gaming. So that means that they are giving the public a choice to whether buy one or not, because believe it or not, not everyone in the world has a HD TV, and therefore won't gain the benifets of a HD-DVD drive. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are basicly there for extra storage. DVD players can produce HD images, but are limited to how much they can store. With Sony they are saying, HAVE IT OR HAVE NOTHING AT ALL. Which is a shame, because it will cost more to buy games for the console, and will cost more to buy the console. Personally, I think Sony's console will be more powerful than the 360. I think it will sell well in Japan, but it all depends on the price once it hits the US and UK. It's not just the price of the console, but the price of the games as well. I think Microsoft has moved a long way since the days of the X-Box, and what a great powerful machine it is, but I think Sony might be worrying a little now, because with a Spring 2006 release date (2-3 months away!) and no new info at all on the PS3, it's fames, prices, it's looking a little worrying, expecially since Microsoft had running 360's with demo's running 6 months before release Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 01.15.2006 22:42 Look, I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just saying what I heard on Game Head. I don't really give a f#ck about all this sh#t which console is powerful than the other. All I'm doing is telling everyone about what I heard on Game Head is that a crime? I, like everyone else wants the truth about the Playstation 3 and not just bs. Everytime they (meaning Sony) say something, people probably wonder if its bs or if its the truth. Everytime they come out with a console its been one story after another and people are tired of it, including me. I'm want to see "REAL IN GAME FOOTAGE", no freakin CGI clip. I, including everyone in here knows Killzone 2 and MGS4 are CGI movies nothing more. So, until I see real gameplay, I'm sticking with the info I got off of Game Head. I know that the graphics for the Playstation 3 are going to be great, all I'm saying is that it's not going to be looking like this anytime soon. Unregistered - lord 01.15.2006 22:45 Sany its all about the Blue-Ray and thats it. FreeMonk 01.15.2006 23:11 #120 - MGS4 was actually running on Hardware. It was not a CGI clip like Killzone 2. Kojima actually shown people at E3 the MGS4 clip, and the paused it, zoomed in on certain area's not seen in the trailer, span the camera around, all in Real-Time. Now whether it was running on PS3 hardware or just a PC, no one knows, but that trailer was actually Real-time graphics. What I think you may be stating is that Sony have shown no IN-GAME FOOTAGE, in which case, they've shown hardly none. Some trailers like the Warhawk trailer shows what looks like in-game graphics as well as the racing buggy game with all he mud. This argument won't be settled until the next big Sony conference or maybe even TGS. So there's no point arguing, although I still agree that Sony are pushing the Blu-Ray feature onto people who won't need it or use it and unfortunatly will have to pay for a feature they won't use. Shame! Unregistered - . 01.15.2006 23:49 This was the least fun game I have ever played. It was so horrible that I broke it and threw it in the trash when I beat it. No just kiding. It was a really good game. Unregistered - gerabalabalaba 01.16.2006 01:00 I just read a few of the first comments posted in the forum and... Gee I love this. Nine comments into the forum and we've got a ps3 vs xbox comment. I hate you damn damn damn damn damn damn damn damn ps-sh*stick fans. I'm not saying playstation totally sucks I really enjoy some of its games. I'm just saying you fans SUCK BIG DOWNKY BALLS. Unregistered - Cody 01.16.2006 01:07 Hey everyone I just wanted to say I'm totally homosexual and I would like to find a male partner. Except the ps3 queer that posted number nine. Ps3 fans are to freaky Unregistered - PS player 01.16.2006 01:37 Sir Howard stringer said in a speach earlier today "None of the developers actualy have the controller yet, though I can say, final PS3 hardware is finalised and is currently in mass production. Sony hope to have 2 million units ready for launch this spring, in both Japan and USA, with 1 Million units per region" Howard stringer even mention details of an upcoming event, yet did'nt give any official dates "Sony will be showcasing PS3 at the Playstation festival next month, dates will be revealed later this month" no other details are available at present, but at least we have a clearer view on things now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yea!! PS3 is coming to kick Xflop butt next month, cant wait to see all you Xbots cry when you see what next gen realy looks like, bye bye Xflop360, muahahahaha!! Unregistered - lord 01.16.2006 06:23 even if they put the ps for $400 im not buying it until his 3rd year. sany ps its all about the Blue-Ray, all im hearing from sanylandia its the stupid Blue-Ray. Nintendo Rev & X360 its all about the games, new ideas & online, all in favor of the videogame industry & the Gamers, sany its coming with the same strategy of the ps2. FreeMonk 01.16.2006 08:20 Looks like Europe will have to wait a year before getting the PS3. This is where Microsoft will wipe the floor with Sony, because people are not going to wait a year for next-gen gaming, and therefore, Microsoft were right to pull a worldwide release. Europe is a very very big place to just leave for a year. They will lose lots of money if they don't do the same as Microsoft and release at the same time as America. Look how much they lost on the PSP over here at Christmas 2004. Everyone bought DS's. Even this year, it didn't sell extremly well. My sister was able to walk into any store and pick one of the shelf. The only way Sony will do better than MS is to do a worldwide relase like MS, times are changing, and other regions of the world don't like to be messed around! Unregistered - GameDaddy 01.16.2006 08:37 Sony is coming with stratergy of PS2 with PS3? is that what you are saying? what makes X360 any different to Xbox? its still got Live its still got DVD drive its still got HDD, the only difference is, its slightly smaller, with slightly better graphics. PS3 is aiming more at online with PS3 and still keeping it a FREE service, Blu-ray is new, the processor has been built from the ground up and PS3 has got quite a few new titles coming its way, not just sequals. Sony are introducing a new camera a Hi-def IP camera, how it will be used online is yet to be known, Sony say you can broadcast your own shows, so who knows what online plans they have. PS2's online was pretty bleak, but still had more players on its servers than Xbox live did. PS2 was just a test bed for online, PS3 will improve on PS2's online, PS3 will be more like a media hub than a console. X360 is an old Xbox with fancier interface software and new console design, whats inside the console is old tiered parts, like I said its sticking with old DVD, its got a very small 20gig WTF! 20gig HDD that you only have access to 13gig of that space that cost's a whopping $100, jeez man you are getting raped up the A$$, X360 is cheap JUNK, with games that look like this gen, you are being blinded by a fancy interface, thats all X360 is, new software interface. $400 for another DVD player, 13gig of HDD space flashy software interface and the games dont look to hot just yet, it isnt worth the money, even Xbox sold more units at Christmas than X360, no one wants it and dont say its sold out, I could go out now and buy one, all stores near me have them, they're not even selling in Japan, they cant even give them away over their, they know its JUNK, nothing in the X360 is true Hi-Def, you are being A44 focked by billy bob, there is no helping you Xbots, M$ has you blinded with interface software, you cant see past that to realise the rest of the system is JUNK, I'm outta here, before I go, a word of advice, wait for the price to drop to $200 then it will be worth the $$$ Vivicious 01.16.2006 09:42 All game developers hire other companies to develop their CGI movies. Even Squaresoft (Though they own that company) doesn't make the CGI movies for the Final Fantasy games. Unregistered - Tiger 01.16.2006 10:14 Well sony says it can play in 1080p.. is that like sony playstion2 can play 5.1 audio? well we know that is only wiht dvd movies not games. I wonder if 1080p is just blueray dvd movies only, not game play? hmmmmmm!!!!! I guesss will have to seee what kinda sony pulls out of the ps3 hat. my self am sure games will run under 1080p when they come out. but again also we have not seen anything, and wont until the middle of this year... sorrry sony peoples... Unregistered - cookie sheet 01.16.2006 10:43 You guys have your hopes set too high on Sony! Im not sure what any of you want to prove or get across to others but this is getting so old! The 360 is out and we are now waiting on new titles as well as the camera add-on for live! Whats annoying me is the fact that you guys keep defending the PS3 when you all just like the rest of us know that it might not live up to the hype! There comes a time in every mans life when he needs to stand up and make decisions on his own and not let a company like Sony pimp them and make their decisions for them as far as whats better! Whenever the PS3 is released you guys better cross your fingers because it is going to hurt knowing that Sony lied to you guys and you fell for every last word! We don't need to defend the 360 because we know and what I mean by know is something you may never understand until u look back at the original Xbox and see just what MS did to push consoles into the next era! Keep defending and keep crying because I for one know that Sony will never make a better console and will never ever make better software than MS no matter what they try and tell me! Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 01.16.2006 13:00 First of all I don't think Sony had way more people online on their console than microsoft. Microsoft is the King of online gaming. Sony only had a couple of games that were online and most of them Microsoft already had. I hope the Playstation 3 has a good online thing like Microsoft but its not going to beat microsoft if that's what your thinking. I heard the service to get online with the Playstation 2 cost a bundle (I'm not saying that's true it's what I heard). But, to say that PS2 online capabilities was better than Xbox live that sounds very stupid. Second, microsoft has alot of power in their console just look at Fight Night: Round 3 looks the same as Sony's demo. You can't just say that the Xbox 360 is weak and it's going to be beat easy this time around like the first Xbox. X360 games were not all that great (gun and Tony Hawks: American Wasteland) but look at the second wave of games gears of war, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Ghost Recon 3, Chromehounds, and so forth. These games look just as good as the games that were shown on the Playstation 3. Unregistered - mattolla 01.16.2006 13:42 Even thier own designers admit the ps3 flaws. http://www.ps3.net/newsboard/view.php?id=152 Unregistered - . 01.16.2006 14:27 Why do keep posting really long comments? No one wants to take the time out to read them. Any way Gears of War was awesome. I give it a 9( that being on the 1 to 10 scale) Idontknow 01.16.2006 16:35 Hasn't anybody else ever seen a game video and thought, "hey, that looks kind of boring"? I am not saying that GOW is or will be boring, I'm just saying that it looks repetitive. I've played a few game that are repetitive, but I still like them(library level in Halo anyone). As for what looks repetitive about the videos, let me see: get behind cover, shoot with bullet-hose/shotgun, kill enemy, repeat, how is that did I get everything. Now I am NOT saying that the game is and/or will be boring and/or repetitive, I just have not seen very much variety to the game. I WILL play this game and am looking forward to taking down some of those huge enemies that they have shown. Again, for that idiot who keeps calling me retarded, I DO WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME, reread that last part before you post anything else. If you can't get it through your head this time I give up. Unregistered - gg 01.16.2006 20:05 This game is going to rock im pretty sure and immerse us into it's world from what i've seen thus far! I do however have two concerns, one being the length of the game which I truely hope breaks ten hours and the other has to do with the way you change weapons! Why is it when ever you switch weapons they seem to just appear in your hands? I would think that since the game is so real (like how you load your gun) they would at least fix this one thing! Whenever I see this stuff I think of glitches and I dont think we want that! Maybe they've just gotten use to it and don't even notice anymore but it's kind of fake looking for NEXT GENERATION! Come on Cliffy please fix this because this game alone will make 2006 a good year for gaming! PAUL CERULA 01.16.2006 22:53 WRITING LONG PARAGRAPHS AND LONG COMMENTS ARE FOR SUCKERS No one is going to read your thoughts if their not in a concise and factual order Unregistered - ja ja 01.16.2006 23:10 you guyz need to cross the enemy line and see the pics of the MOH in ps3 same graphics like 360, and those come from a CG. ja ja ja ja! omegaheat 01.17.2006 02:50 I can't believe some of the comments that I read in these forums. Not even two months ago, no one had even played a next gen videogame. Alot of gamers were either playing with the Xbox, GameCube or the PS2. I myself, was enjoying my games on the Xbox platform and spending long hours on Xbox Live. There are alot of Xbox Live subscribers out there, but sometimes it's hard to believe how many gamers out there have no idea how revolutionary the experience still is. It's even more disturbing when I know that there are 90+ million PS2s out there and most of the people who own them, either don't know what Xbox Live is or never even played an online gaming session. I laugh at how so many gamers became connossueirs of hardware specifications over night. People are so worried about whether their system of choice is inferior or superior to the other. Developers have only had final hardware in their hands for several months. That means that any games that we play within the year were created on inferior hardware or a high end Pc. Don't be naive. Stop making judgement on games that don't live up to your graphical expectations. It's still early. Blame it on the developers for underestimating the hardware capabilities of the Xbox360 and PS3. Microsoft and I'm sure Sony also, have exceeded the developers'expectations for what is graphically feasible with the new hardware. If we were waiting for a game that truely utilizes the hardware, we would still be waiting right now with an Xbox360 console and no games to play on it. I'll leave you all with something to think about. Suppose two competing companies built an evolutionary flying device that must reach a destination point in the shortest time possible to determine which is the superior. Both devices are considered to be very powerful. They have been built using different components but yet they have proved to be equal in speed. The only differences between the two is that one device made a smoother and easier flight to the destination point and cost less to manufacture than the other device. If you were an engineer which device would be the choice for mass market? My point is, online gaming will decide the console wars and that is where the future of next gen gaming lies. Vivicious 01.17.2006 09:37 I think you might have missed the current videos for GoW. You have a limited amount of guns you can carry with you, and you have strapped across your back for example. When he changes weapons, it's completely animated. Unregistered - green lantern 01.17.2006 12:46 ps3 is better than xbox360 proof -> http://www.ps3portal.com/ps3/article/255.html - 'nuff said Unregistered - Next-Gen Fan 01.17.2006 16:39 Why do people continue this Playstation 3 powerful than Xbox 360? Is it for fun or what? Or, do you people have nothing to do expect make stupid comments like these? People don't really care about how powerful a system is (except Sony Fanboys). A true gamer buys a console for the games not just for the specs. I remember when it was Sega vs. Nintendo, no one compare the consoles they compared the games; who was better Sonic or Mario? Answer this do you want a game that looks great but has poor gameplay? Or do you want a game that looks good and has great gameplay? If your answer was the second one, wise choice. If you think I'm a Xbox fanyboy you are right but I'm also a fan of the Playstation and Nintendo. I'm a true gamer I play all consoles not just one. And if you buy a console because of specs you guys are stupid. Unregistered - / 01.17.2006 22:40 I came on this website to look for good games for the xbox 360. And I read part of a few of the comments( I say that because every comment is like an essay.) and I am amazed. To post comments like. " The game was good " or " yeah I expected more" is understandable. But to post all the comments about ps3 is better than xbox is incompetent. You guys need to grow up and realize that there are more important things. Unregistered - Giovanni 01.18.2006 01:23 I simply don't understand why these 360 bad mouthers come to www.xbox360news.com to begin with? Your mouths must be ass holes because crap drops from them all day. I'll be blunt, I just want you ass pony hermaphrodites to suck a motha fahka! Unregistered - Unknown 01.18.2006 20:13 This is proof that Killzone trailer was 100 percent fake, but next generation systems will achieve that quality of cgi graphics in the next 2 years, said Tim Miller. Check this out(http://www.gametrailers.com/gamehead.php)on gametrailers.com. The truth, and nothing but the truth!!!!!!!! Unregistered - stan 01.18.2006 22:46 at least PS# online wont suck like COD2 on xbox live. SOcom 4 will be the best online game ever for a consol. Unregistered - WOW 01.18.2006 22:51 You have way too much time..................... YOu posted that on all the threads on the PS3 site.... that is soo lame man get a life Unregistered - rob 01.19.2006 10:57 what the hell is a PS#? lay of the shift key retard. Unregistered - peanut 01.19.2006 16:59 When are you guys gonna get off the nutts of Sony and stop talking about it until the thing comes out or shows us some type of playable demo! Unregistered - Richard Cheese 01.20.2006 00:56 If you're going to talk about PS3, you shouldn't even be at this website to begin with, considering the websites name, "Xbox 360 news." Unregistered - man 01.20.2006 16:52 You know what weird? Donald duck never wore pants. But whenever he was getting out of the shower he alwayse put a towel around his waist. What is with that? GOW is cool too. LAGIZZTIC 01.20.2006 17:06 sony is going to get an online service! wow i'm so impressed! Sony is comming out with blu ray disk! Wow i'ts so amazing! Sony cell processor packs so much more power! I cant believe it! Fact Sony came out with a harddrive and promised demo's, streaming media, photo software and a hand full of others. And delivered An expensive memory card thanks sony! Sony promised an online community with ps2! Delivered a crappy service and forced ps owners to buy the new slim version in order to play online fact! Fact Sony promised ps2 graphics and hot original games and more enjoyable experience! Delivered A high priced gamegear with weak battery life and ports of games! Fact ps underground was originally free and as it became popular forced people to pay for it! So a survey now shows their not ready! Do I believe the cell or blu ray is going to blow the competition away! no way! The thing I dont understand is why is Sony using expirimental technology to deliver next gen gaming? Yea okay Cant wait till we see more cinema cut scenes next month which will drive the sony fanboys crazy! Real footage not gonna happen! Unregistered - Lame Dude 01.21.2006 04:09 So true that sony wants you to pay extra just so your friends can play when they come over your house with the multicrap i mean mutlitap for both ps1/ps2 when both the N64 & DC had the concept long before either of the ps1/ps2 came out so they could of made that an option but they didn't, then they said that you couldn't use the ps1 controller with the ps2 boy was they wrong lets not forget the memCard and last but not forgoten (this is very important so pay attention) each system that sony drops within a year or two they redesign it making it more compact adding more features to entice you to buy the new and improve version so if i was a ps3 fan i would just wait until 2008 when they (SONY) remix the ps3 to V2.0, 2.60 or what ever version that way you will be ahead of the game :) Unregistered - Very true 01.21.2006 05:13 That was well said Unregistered - Very true 01.21.2006 05:14 That was well said omegaheat 01.21.2006 12:39 We can't blame the Sony fanboys for their enthusiam of the PS3. We are all guilty of standing behind our favored console as if it's part of a religion. We have created a war between Sony and Microsoft with our loyalty and support. Sony destroyed the Sega Dreamcast ( a great machine, by the way) with false promises that they never lived up to. In fact, I still argue that the Dreamcast had much cleaner graphics than the PS2 and because of its untimely death, we never got to see the potential of the machine. If Microsoft didn't craft the Xbox, I have probably become a casual gamer. But because of Microsoft, I am still a die hard gamer to this day. They brought back innovation and the hope that videogames will continue to be a leisure activity that can be enjoyed alone or with friends. So I don't even have to talk about how revolutionary Xbox Live continues to be. Competition is good. Bring it on. The bigger the fight; the bigger the games. We are the winners. Maybe some of us won't admit it, but I am positive that 80% Xbox/Xbox360 owners are refugees from the Sega camp. I'm from the old school. I still have about 300 games in perfect emulations of the Sega Master System and Sega Genesis. There are no words to describe the nostalgia. LAGIZZTIC 01.21.2006 12:42 All I half to say 2 things one sony urnotready and two Sega! Unregistered - Reily Breckinridge 01.21.2006 14:41 Yes, I definitely agree with # 157. I used to have so many Genesis and Sega Saturn things....and now I love Xbox and currently own an Xbox 360. I must say it brings me more enjoyment then any other system to date. it's the greatest fun iv'e had in a long time....but I also want to thank Sega, for all the good times back in the day! Xtrm L1481L1TY 01.21.2006 21:53 Well said guys! So what di I have to do to get the famous Genesis classic "Altred Beast"? I love that game and I hope we will see it on Xlive arcade soon. Unregistered - Some guy 01.22.2006 14:16 Anyone here like Jehovah witness's? jeez these Jehovah's never give up, they just keep coming and coming...dont matter what you do or say. Have you seen their beliefs? 144,000 jehovah's will get to live for eternity, WTF...who wants to live for eternity? this is why they are so persistant, at pushing their made up bible in your face, they think they have a chance of being 1 of those 144.000 LOL Unregistered - Some guy 01.22.2006 14:41 I've just printed off, 101 strange beliefs and practices, compiled by Paul and Pat Blizard (ex-Jehovas witness's) I hope this will stop them from returning to my house, because no doubt they will be back again next week. Unregistered - Scrooge 01.22.2006 18:08 Im not a JW, but your story on their beliefs is all mixed up. Go easy on other religions. Plus, this is a video game forum, no one cares about what you think of JW's. omegaheat 01.22.2006 19:20 Talk about butchering the term in use. How irrelevant is it to talk about Jehovas Witness in a videogame forum. That was very immature. Did you know the root of all wars are fought due to religion? Don't go stinking up the forums with prejudice remarks about a religious/ spiritual belief. Although I don't think there should even be religious denominations, I do admire anyone who believes in God. The word religion does not necessarily adhere to spiritual beliefs. It is a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. So let's stick with the point that I was trying to make. We are loyal fans of Microsoft's consoles and there are others who are fans of Sony's console whether it's for a cause or just self devotion. It doesn't matter. So let's let's enjoy the games, dammit. Unregistered - Some guy 01.23.2006 06:50 Sorry to you and everyone in here that I mentioned Jehovah's witness's on this forum, I wrote because they had just been to my house and I am tired of them trying to push something on me that I dont believe in. As for not understanding what their beliefs are, your right, I dont understand why they think the following is right: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2919/reasons.html Not only that, anything that a witness thinks or see's is wrong, has to report to the elders, who take the law into their own hands, rather than a witness going straight to the police. Their has been so many child molesters who have got away with what they have done, simply because their wasn't 2 witnesses to report the crime to the elders, not only that, most of them get let off anyway, simply because they tell the elders they are sorry for what they have done and the people reporting the insident to the elders have to forgive, that is their belief's. It discusts me how these people can get away with such crimes. Anyway I'll leave it at that, this IS a gameing forum and I shouldn't have brought this here. Yo Wassap 01.23.2006 18:16 they look the same i've played a 3 min demo Unregistered - - 01.28.2006 21:30 # 165. whats up with that man? Just because you dont understand their religion doesnt mean you got to diss it. It doesnt matter if its weird or wack or whatever, they have a right to believe that way. They dont need Persecution by you or anyone else. Gears of war screen shots look awesome. Add Comment |
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