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11 Feb 2006 02:19 | billaboy | Xbox 360 Xbox360News.com | Link to this article 
A recent article by Kikizo reports a first hand experience with the PS3. A number of unnamed sources gave their opinions regarding the PS3 and how it compares to the XBox 360. It is a well written piece that might help those who are deciding what to buy. Judge for yourself. [We'd previously seen PlayStation 3 in "realtime" action in three demonstrations - the stunning Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer taken into a simulation to show off game engine and graphics, Sonic the Hedgehog's realtime demo at TGS, and also a realtime demo of Sega's Fifth Phantom Saga, also at TGS (all available to watch below). Based on what we've now played for ourselves, we can answer a question we all asked back at E3 2005. Does PS3 really look like the Killzone trailer? No way. Does it look like Metal Gear Solid 4? Sure, near enough, although now that it's on near-final hardware, things just need a little polishing to look as complete as what was shown by Kojima-san in September. The difference in physics, detail and scene complexity between the Killzone or MotorStorm trailers and MGS4's realtime demo is quite severely obvious, and it's now abundantly clear to us that everyone's early PS3 gaming experiences will be a whole lot more like the latter, but that's not exactly a bad thing. We'll have dynamic range and depth of field optics, maybe even a 'solid' sixty frames. But MGS4 stands on its own as the single most impressive thing anyone has seen on a sufficiently convincingly box to date. Based on what we've seen and played, launch software will look like nice Xbox 360 material - Dead or Alive 4, Gears of War. The main issue now is when is this "launch" actually going to happen? ] Click here to read the whole article Add Comment  1 -
dont believe the hype!!!Unregistered - Gamer 02.11.2006 03:07 So, just as we thought, no better than xbox 360, spending all this time and still trying to work out the bugs in the cell's choppy frame rate. The xbox 360 will have better graphics but the cell may be able to try more things such as tree's moving at one time, so in other words, weak. Both systems will be great so just buy the one who's games your a fan of, I personally am an Xbox 360 fan and will contnue to support it, I'm really looking forward to some great games like gears of war, and the soon ghost recon AWF, should be great. Splinter cell 4, tomb raider, halo 3 of course and resident evil 5, not to mention saints row are gonna be fantastic to play. prey, 99 nights, advent-arm, and soooo many more are gonna make 206 gaming pretty great. I'm looking forward to what we can do. ps3 fans, I hope you get something to do by xmas. The pre rendered pc footage often shown doesnt give you anything real to hope for but maybe sony's next showing will. we'll see. 2 -
controller issuesUnregistered - me 02.11.2006 03:11 Please please sony, do something about that damned controller. It's horrid. actually i'm sure 3rd party makers will come out with a few good controlers for the ps3, so it doesnt really matter what sony does. 3 -
Unregistered - william 02.11.2006 05:01 Actually I like the controller, it gives me something to throw and it'll always come right back...or u could just shove it up Kojima's u know...lol and haha 1080P doesn't work...darn...lol and I'll keep my Xbox 360, and all u PS3 guys can brag about ur more convincing swaying trees...it's a tree I doubt I'd spend too much time checking those out...on the other hand...if the system ever comes to exist without a massive computer case than it'll be the next gen "war" 4 -
hmmUnregistered - Baszs 02.11.2006 06:04 its not the console i'm worried about but the games.. i wanted to see warhawk on the xbox360. and if i take a look of the ( ingame ) footage at kikizo the ps3 has also a nice line-up.. my oppinion is for the xbox360 that stop using the easy XNA mode and start creating nice graph's in "CRIMSONSKIE 360" :P like warhawk.. its just that the xbox360 looks sometimes slower than the ps3.. but i'm still going for the xbox360 so dont burn me off.. 5 -
same thangUnregistered - robtfakktor 02.11.2006 06:39 they both run 720p or 1080i. they are the same system with the exception of blu ray. 6 -
Unregistered - lil' gringo 02.11.2006 06:40 "Based on what we've seen and played, launch software will look like nice Xbox 360 material - Dead or Alive 4, Gears of War. The main issue now is when is this "launch" actually going to happen?" I seriously doubt that the launch games will be equal to gears of war, considering that they say that "But MGS4 stands on its own as the single most impressive thing anyone has seen on a sufficiently convincingly box to date". But MGS4 is not as good loocking as GoW and you have to remember that the mgs4 trailer was NOT in-game but in-engine, there was no AI to be seen and if my memory isn't to bad there weren't even any physics. So comparing mgs4 to GoW is completely rediculus, IMHO 7 -
Vivicious 02.11.2006 07:11 "If you look at the first animation movie Pixar did, it's stuff that a demo coder could now make with little effort in realtime on a Nintendo 64 or even a PS1." Complete BS. The Xbox/Ps2 could POSSIBLY run "birds on a wire", Pixar's first short animation before they started working on movies, but N64/PS 1? Not even close. 8 -
Vivicious 02.11.2006 07:13 "Perhaps the biggest bombshell we've learned in the world of PS3 development right now is that many (if not most) games are simply running in 720p - not the ambitious, bleeding edge 1080p "Full HD" standard that Sony had us so excited about." ""Sony wanted 1080p, but we're working at 720p and 1080i, same as on the Xbox 360. Even with [final hardware] in mind, reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible. Instead many developers, ourselves included, are reworking so they run at 720p. PS3's output takes care of upscaling it - so no native 1080p, but it still looks killer" Based on what I've seen for quite a while now, I've kept saying this, and I think most objective gamers knew this would be the case. Nothing new here, but this actually is a very accurate interview. I actually always thought Kikizo was extremely biased, favoring Sony and Nintendo above Microsoft, but alot of the stuff in here seems quite objective. 9 -
Unregistered - mad max 02.11.2006 08:23 sony is just pulling crap out of its ass just like with the ps2 and look how those graphics came out. Microsoft knows what there doing when they say the 360 is better. 3 words gears of war. 10 -
It's all marketing HYPE!Unregistered - oll 02.11.2006 09:17 It's a old strategy, you keep quit about your product so people think you have something really advance or made by UFOs and when you show it is nothing big but you still get the sales. 11 -
FreeMonk 02.11.2006 10:30 The good thing for X-Box 360 owners is that if Metal Gear Solid 4 is what would be classed as a graphical treat for the PS3, it just goes to show what the 360 can produce, because in an Interview with Kojima, he actually stated that it MGS4 could of easily been made for the 360, but they just didn't have the time (although I think Sony cut him a cheque with a few zero's at the end!). 360 and PS3 will be graphically around the same. 360 will have the edge at first because it will be a year old, and the games coming out will have all the componets and chips inside the 360 running at a 70-80% run rate. Towards the end though, the PS3 will shine because when the 360 finally hit's it peak, the PS3 will still be finding it's feet, and be able to produce a lot more, prettier stuff. Just like the X-Box when the PS2 hit it's peak! At the end of the day, as long as one of them has my favourite games on, and I can escape reality for an hour or two a night after a stressful day of work and the missus nagging, I'll be happy! 12 -
What's going on with the link???????/Unregistered - Omegaheat 02.11.2006 11:58 It seems that I can't connect to the full story over at Kikizo. I can't even visit the site at the moment. Has anyone else had the same experience. I hope Sony hasn't made another one of their request to pull down a story that could be detrimental to the PS3 launch. They have become famous for this type of behavior. 13 -
Unregistered - Nitz 02.11.2006 12:05 Yeah, I cannot get on it either. I saw it for a moment and then went back to start my read and *BAM*, could not get at it. This is classic sony, HIDE THE TRUTH that will finally tell us what we need/want to know. I was planning on a PS3, but with all this crap going on (pulling negative articles, firing employees that lay it all out) I am starting to think "NO" 14 -
to #10Unregistered - Scrooge 02.11.2006 12:28 Good point, however, I don't think that's the case this time. Sony is kinda loosing lots of hype by this ABSOLUTE silence with their console. It's smart to be secretive and give a little info here and there to maintian hype, but this silence is giving away Sony's bluff. 15 -
#14Unregistered - fg 02.11.2006 13:21 I'm #10 :), Yes i do agree w/ you, i was into the hype in the begening but they have been quite for too long and now i really don't care about it i'm not even going to buy one now. 16 -
Unregistered - OEM 02.11.2006 13:34 ^^ Case in point. Sony is becoming their own worse enemy. 17 -
Unregistered - al 02.11.2006 14:02 ummm your wrong 18 -
Unregistered - Nits 02.11.2006 14:17 #17 Very good rebuttle. Nice to see your post backing up your statment and the facts and points you have taken to the table with you indepth post. 19 -
I can't Read.Unregistered - Natsfan7 02.11.2006 15:01 I keep going to the website, but it wont work. So could some one PLEASE post the whole article so I can read it? 20 -
Nothing to compare.Unregistered - site see er 02.11.2006 15:08 When the systems were first revealed, and all the hype was flowing around the Blu Ray, and Cell processor I was wondering if Microsoft was making the right decisions. But once more info came out about the 360 and how it works I found that the 360 was designed to streamline all existing aspects of gaming and some in entertainment. I dont even think thier is a Ps3 (in existance or even in idea). All they've been doing is showing small demos and making claims, certain developement things dont even make sense, like they want to make online service that rivals live but they havent even decided on a Hard drive size and will you need a hard drive to play certain games on their system, and about 2weeks ago I saw a posting saying that they down graded some part of the memory or ram or something like that. So all I can think is we've been comparing specs to something thats not even fully realized. 21 -
Unregistered - Nitz 02.11.2006 15:32 These are only a few quotes I took note of: "Based on what we've seen and played, launch software will look like nice Xbox 360 material - Dead or Alive 4, Gears of War. The main issue now is when is this "launch" actually going to happen?" "Perhaps the biggest bombshell we've learned in the world of PS3 development right now is that many (if not most) games are simply running in 720p - not the ambitious, bleeding edge 1080p "Full HD" standard that Sony had us so excited about." ""Sony wanted 1080p, but we're working at 720p and 1080i, same as on the Xbox 360. Even with [final hardware] in mind, reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible. Instead many developers, ourselves included, are reworking so they run at 720p. PS3's output takes care of upscaling it - so no native 1080p, but it still looks killer" "The hands-on evidence is beginning to mount up. We're talking about a machine barely superior to Xbox 360 - not by any significant margin. It's certainly obvious this machine is not "twice" as powerful as 360, let alone a generational leap ahead. But the gap could become bigger: "Realistically, as libraries and experience with both machines grow, I think the PS3 will start showing things the 360 will choke at," offers the source. "But Sony will have to make available to us libraries and new routines for that to happen - something they've been severely lacking at so far." "Based on what we've now played for ourselves, we can answer a question we all asked back at E3 2005. Does PS3 really look like the Killzone trailer? No way. Does it look like Metal Gear Solid 4? Sure, near enough, although now that it's on near-final hardware, things just need a little polishing to look as complete as what was shown by Kojima-san in September." "Sony's showings of PS3 to date have been seriously sexy. But the reality, while still impressive, is nowhere near the leap beyond Xbox 360 Sony wants you to believe, and it seems many projects are still at an early enough stage for things to start getting a little worrying. " "Based on what we've played versus the hype of the last year, it's impossible not to be slightly disappointed, yet we're still hugely excited and most of all, relieved that all the claims, confusion and debate now make more sense." 22 -
Unregistered - Peter 02.11.2006 15:56 hey # 21................... What? 23 -
Completely Agree #1Unregistered - Craig 02.11.2006 16:14 I have been telling people at my school and people on xbox live for the last year that PS3 wasn't going to be better. But the sony fanboys kept bragging and putting down us 360 members. "HAHA point at the retards who impulsively bought a 360!" "PS3 is gonna better". Now look at those sony fanboys. The PS3 development is crashing down and the only reason anyone should buy it is if they wan't to watch a blu-ray movie. That's what Sony gets for hyping up their machine when the game developers weren't even making games at the time. BTW who cares about the PS3? Anyone getting Oblivion? 24 -
at least learn to readUnregistered - xflop sucks 02.11.2006 16:27 "I think the PS3 will start showing things the 360 will choke at.." Yeah ! In your ugly face Microsux! Long Live Sony! 25 -
Unregistered - lagizztic 02.11.2006 16:27 Real simple Ps3 will launch in US in October thats when they always launch! That being said yea the MGS4 will look like that till you playthe actual game 26 -
to #24Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 16:35 That is an estimated guess from Kikizo who is known to be extremely biast favoring Sony and Nintendo. Just a simple guess when the evidence or proof is pright here in front of our faces. Just wait until they actually start utilizing all three processors of the 360 also. 27 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 16:39 WHOA, from what I am reading in the "comments" section, it appears the PS3 will NOT be capable of 1080p high def. They may have read parts of the original article before it mysteriously vanished. They are commenting on how the PS3 is only capable of 720p and 1080i. Hey PS3 Fan, what do you think about that one champ? I believe it was you who said true HD starts at 1080p! Hahahahahahaha ------------------------------------------------------------------ PS3 Fan wrote, "Bluray Movies r 1080p.PS3 is capable of Bluray Movie playback(1080p),games won't run that hi,probably up to 1080i,depending on game." ------------------------------------------------------------------- !!!!!Attention everybody, attention!!!!!! According to Marty (PS3 Fan), Blu-ray is everything! Blu-ray is the future of video game consoles. If your console does not have blu-ray it's a POS. Hahaha Now, about that price tag for a PS3. We obviously know the PS3 is on par with the 360 on graphics and power and it's pretty evident that PS3 online will never match Xlive quality their first go-around, and we don't even know if PS3 will feature a Hard Drive as a standard feature. We do know the PS3 is a b1tch to develop for, we know by the time the PS3 is finally released it's system performance will NOT be better then the 360, so basically all you're waiting for is a blu-ray player. Truly moronic to say the least. Oh buddy I just can't wait to see the MSRP price tag on the PS3 with all the extras that the 360 premium offers at $399. This could be very bad for Sony and fans alike. 28 -
@stupid sony fanboyUnregistered - ejab 02.11.2006 16:39 "I think" the 360 will choke at. that means its a guess, which means he doesnt know, which means your point is mute. btw "will the ps3 games look like killzone, no way!" take that phony. 29 -
# 26Unregistered - ps3 rules 02.11.2006 16:41 sorry, but how is that when this "biased" Kikizo says PS3 is hyped you suddenly overjoy? it's biased but not always huh??!! 30 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 16:42 Exactly! ....And why Can't the PS3 run games in 1080p????? That's right, because it's not powerfull enough. Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner Gene? Hahaha 31 -
Unregistered - Box boy 02.11.2006 16:43 I agree xbox 360 is about the same power wise of the PS3 but didnt Ati say that with the custom video card in the xbox 360 they look at long term and at the end they will be ahead of the nvidia card in the ps3 so long term the xbox 360 will be a long term thing and be ahead of the PS3.. and is with the PS3 controller it sucks really bad...But we also have to remember this is microsoft's 2nd console and this is sony's 3rd but microsoft is dong great for goning to sony's own soil and trying to beat them and nintendo so i give them a hand as bill gates said this is a long term thing so i dont think microsoft will be out for a long time... 32 -
to XtrmUnregistered - ps3 rules 02.11.2006 16:53 if you accept what he says about 1080p then you must accept what he says about PS3 being capable of doing things that 360 choke at. you can't accept only one part of what he says. personally, i think first gen PS3 games won't be head and shoulder above 360's , but in 2nd and 3rd gen, Killzone demo will be achieved. Just wait for the power of the Cell to be fully utilized. 33 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 16:56 Yeah just wait for the 360's triple core processors at 3.2 Ghz a piece to be fully utilized along with ATI's 48 pipeline and unified shaders to be FULLY UTILIZED! 34 -
LaughUnregistered - LMAO 02.11.2006 16:57 laughs...stop...laughs. Umm yeah, huh? high definition starts at 1080p? What? Guess it won't happen til PS4. Yeap Sony has turn the playstation brand into a trojan horse. 35 -
Unregistered - _ 02.11.2006 16:57 To #22 I posted some quotes because some folks ( # 19 I think ) could not see the article (due to sony pulling it and trying to cover there own ugly truth that is coming out. So I put together a short list of what caught my eye. 36 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 16:57 Bandwidth anybody??? Hahaha 37 -
XtrmUnregistered - ps3 rules 02.11.2006 17:01 i know this is your worst nightmare but PS3 WILL BE better than 360 at least by a 30% margin. don't bash the PS3 , let it come out and then start flaming. if you see me bashing the 360 , it's because i've seen it and was not impressed. 38 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 17:03 PS3 rules wrote, "if you accept what he says about 1080p then you must accept what he says about PS3 being capable of doing things that 360 choke at. you can't accept only one part of what he says." ------------------------------------------------------------------ Read the article again. The part about the PS3 cannot achieve 1080p while playing games is a FACT, not a guess. here let me refresh your memory: """Perhaps the biggest bombshell we've learned in the world of PS3 development right now is that many (if not most) games are simply running in 720p - not the ambitious, bleeding edge 1080p "Full HD" standard that Sony had us so excited about." ""Sony wanted 1080p, but we're working at 720p and 1080i, same as on the Xbox 360. Even with [final hardware] in mind, reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible (on the PS3)."" 39 -
so...what??Unregistered - Sony,xbox,nintendo 02.11.2006 17:06 the ps3 will be on par with 360 and not far more powerful? 40 -
Who Cares!!!!!Mighty Boom 02.11.2006 17:07 I will have My 360, PS3, and Revolution hooked up to the same 65" DLP telivision! I will enjoy all of my coveted next gen systems in theater quality surround sound. I will give them equal attention so they dont get jealous of each other. I promise to love and care for my systems untill there life cycle is over. My point is, dont restrict your self to one system. You will be missing out on great games across the board... -NOOBS 41 -
Unregistered - Nitz 02.11.2006 17:11 Hey, I am not knocking the PS3, and for a good deal of us , we are NOT knocking it. POINT IS the PS3 WILL NOT be that much (if at all) any better than the 360. So WHY wait for it. If you can buy both as I intend to do. The whole war is over PS fans saying THE 360 sucks (false) The PS3 will be SO MUCH MORE POWERFUL (false) The PS3 has ingame like killzone (false) The PS3 will dominate so much the 360 will get shutdown like the DreamCast (false) All the hype on the PS3 means it HAS TO BE AWSOME so much more so than the 360(false) Both will be great (well the 360 already is) PERIOD. But to many refuse to accept that. Each will have pros and cons over the other, but NEITHER will stand out and dominate. 42 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 17:12 Oh I have plans on buying a PS3 for Blu-ray and some franchise games I like but my whole point is to shove last years E3 expectations and their usual hardware power gloating arguments down PS3 fan boys gullible throats. You heard it straight from the horses mouth. Enough said. 43 -
#40 WOW!Unregistered - ps3 rules 02.11.2006 17:13 that's certainly the best solution. WOW! i envy you man! 44 -
to # 40Unregistered - Scrooge 02.11.2006 17:25 I admire your atempt to calm things down here. In every forum that discusses PS3 vs. 360, there is always someone that posts the "who cares?" topic and talks against having loyalties to one console. It never works, these PS3 vs. 360 conversations will always continue no matter how much wisdom someone like you expresses. You might as well save your breath and let these kids duke it out. 45 -
LMAOUnregistered - ds 02.11.2006 17:33 When was the last time Sony released info on the ps3? a year ago? LMAO how sad, this fan boys think they are coming up w/ a master plan but all they are really doing is trying to put it together. PS3 will not be better than 360 PERIOD, it's also sad how all the Sony fans come to this site:( what there is nothing to do? go play your lame as SOCOM which by the way suck major ass, EVEN NEWBS CAN KILL in that crap WORST SHOOTING GAME EVER THE AIMING POINT IS THE SIZE OF A APPLE IF YOU MISS YOU SUCK, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN MISS. 46 -
Unregistered - asdf 02.11.2006 19:16 Does anybody know the actuall realese date of ps3? 47 -
360 isn't even close to its potential yetUnregistered - MelD 02.11.2006 19:23 When they mentioned the ps3 given time can show things the 360 will choke at this is assuming the 360s fully capabilities have been fully shown... no developer has pushed the 360 to its max yet or properly utilized all the cores. Figures that coming from ps3 devs they'd make claims that the ps3 and 360 are capable of all the same things. Not true at all the xbox360's gpu has features that go beyond shader model 3.0 and also has many directx 10 capabilities and also features capabilities that wont even be available in directx 10 or windows graphics foundation 2.0 for windows vista. Just wait till developers start using directx 10 in their games, but of course I believe Microsoft will have to release directx 10 first for that to take place. They made a huge mistake assuming that all 360 games released up until now are proper showcases of the 360's true capabilities especially when it comes to graphics. Many people forget that the majority of microsoft's biggest Triple A titles have yet to show their hands.. who knows what halo 3 will look like? Who knows what these other titles will fully bring to the table such as Gears of War? Splinter Cell Double Agent? Mass Effect? Too Human? Fable 2? Forza Motorsport 2? Ninja Gaiden 2? Otogi 360? Blue Dragon? Lost Odyssey? Cry on? Ninety Nine Nights? Not to mention there are many unannounced titles. Don't forget The 360 GPU has directx 10 capabilities the ps3's doesn't. 48 -
Unregistered - fdbf 02.11.2006 20:22 i like the ps3 design it's pretty sharp, and also the feed system for the disk intead of a tray. 49 -
27Unregistered - rdsds 02.11.2006 20:26 Oh number 27 go to planetxbox and read there article about the ps3 drive being 1x or 2x most likely in effect being slower than the xbox 12x dvd drive then we'll talk blu-ray. 50 -
Unregistered - 27 02.11.2006 20:39 my bad still read the article. 51 -
Unregistered - matt 02.11.2006 21:03 What is the blu-ray? 52 -
#47Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.11.2006 21:12 MelD - Very well said. I did'nt even think of that. ;) 53 -
Unregistered - PAUL CERULA 02.12.2006 01:28 If I had to say anything about this article its that it's good news for the 360 and bad for sony. I'm sure if he was in contact with sony he'd be fired :p. Anyways to #51, Blu-ray a very expensive and leap in technology that the world can do perfectly fine without. But sony denying the confirmed format of dvd and next hd-dvd leads them to come up with some format of theirs in order to "conquer the industry" --your probably joking so... Everything this guy is saying lines up with all the stuff I've been saying for many months. PS3 marginally more powerful, check PS3 launch games most or all ports and not looking as good as 360 games, check Killzone a fake check 1080p is a joke for this generation, just a marketing tool PS3 launching in US and Europe this Q4 or Oct/nov at earliest and I know theirs a few others but I'm lazy to list them Also I read an article don't know if its this one but ps3 is going to keep their dual shock shape...interesting looks like Sony will listen to the market when they're in deep trouble to loose money. Look at the two companies, Sony / MS this way, MS is already a beast, Sony is struggling to the top to become numma 1 numma 1. MS cares for the consumer and is trying to give the market truth and satisfaction. Sony is trying to manipulate the format war, customers, and companies. Contrary to what some believe blu-ray is the imposter here, Sony had the opportunity to join HD-dvd but they've chosen to capitalize and make consumers suffer for a product that offers them no more what they need than hd-dvd 54 -
PAUL CERULA 02.12.2006 01:29 OOPS FORGOT TO LOG IN ABOVE 55 -
to #47 "MeID"Unregistered - ps3 rules 02.12.2006 04:34 pffffffffffff!!!!! dude, i mean no offence but you're talking so much crap ..... the xbox360 gpu is NOT DX10 compatible. Nvidia & ATI haven't taped them out yet. DX10 doesn't exist yet. if this was true then MS would scream about it everyday. they say beyond SM 3.0 ..well.. okay, this doesn't mean DX10. Geforce 5900 also was beyond SM 2.0 if you look at it's specs and Nvidia advertisements at that time. stop dreaming, you can't compare it with RSX which uses OpenGL 2.0 ES. this is the latest version of OpenGL and it's not being updated as fast as DirectX because it's an open environment. developers can create custom shaders and far more open handed in OpenGL unlike DirectX which is a closed and limited environment.OpenGL is used for serious, proffessional works not just for games. RSX isn't fully unveiled yet , how do you know it'll be inferior to 360 gpu??!! are you an Nvidia insider?! RSX : 136 shader operations per clock 74.8 billion shader operations per second 33 billion dot product operations per second Xenos : 96 shader operations per clock 48 billion shader operations per second 24 billion dot product operations per second i wonder how RSX is inferior to Xenos??!! please enlighten me! 56 -
Unregistered - ? 02.12.2006 06:24 "MS cares for the consumer and is trying to give the market truth and satisfaction" With a crappy OS and a monopoly? Blue screens of death are normal here, where is my satisfaction? Both are compagnies (ms and sony), both lie and both want to make a lot of money. period 57 -
#54Unregistered - ejab 02.12.2006 06:31 look up unified shaders, and then youll figure it out, numbers mean nothing if the system cant reach them, thats why like nintendo with the gamecube, microsoft is going with efficiency. 58 -
To Paul CerulaUnregistered - ps3 rules 02.12.2006 07:06 pal , for god sake...read the damn article correctly. "...MGS4 stands on its own as the single most impressive thing anyone has seen on a sufficiently convincingly box to date. Based on what we've seen and played, launch software will look like nice Xbox 360 material - Dead or Alive 4, Gears of War..." and then you said : "PS3 launch games most or all ports and not looking as good as 360 games, check" i don't know what else to say...... 59 -
Unregistered - 02.12.2006 09:21 I don't understand why the people that are comparing the XBox 360 to the PS3 are so concerned with 1080P. If you can afford a good TV that supports 1080P, then you can afford to buy both consoles and simply buy the games that suit your fancy. 60 -
SHOW ME SOMETHING OR STOP TALKING ABOUT IT!!!!Unregistered - whatever 02.12.2006 10:55 When do all the rumors stop? I want to see proof and not biased opinions on what the PS3 will look like and play like! The 360 is out it's powerful and only getting better over time, so trust me until I see proof I don't want to hear about anything that isn't even out yet to the public! This to me is just another marketing trick to sway people into thinking that maybe it would be best to wait and see if the PS3 is better! I don't know about the rest of you guys but I make my own decisions and will never fall victim to any hype on anything in life! 61 -
Can 1080p HDTVs handle 1080p sources?Unregistered - The Man 02.12.2006 10:57 It's true: not very many of the new 1080p televisions will actually accept a 1080p input. This includes all of the Samsung, Sony, JVC, Toshiba, and Mitsubishi rear-projection sets... http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11246_7-6388574-1.html?tag=cnetfd.ate 62 -
Unregistered - OEM 02.12.2006 11:14 # 60 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ??? XBOX 360 --> Hahahahahahahah PS3 ---> Hahahahahahahahahahahaa ** COMING TO YOUR HOME AS EARLY AS FALL 2020 ** The all new, all singing, all dancing OEM-5000 O = Outrages E = EXTREME M = Machine This machine will eat the 360 and the PS3. Even if they were both combined together they would still not come close. SPECS I found online: Smaller than a micro-mini-tiny-teeny Crystal Disk (this IS the new future in portable media) 136,000,000,000,000 shader operations per clock 748,000,000,000 Triillion shader operations per micra-second 333,000,000,000 Trillion dot product operations per micra-second REAL TIME CGI "IN GAME" graphics that are better than the stuff you see in Narnia or the Star Wars CGI movie crap. - USB 10 ports X 80 - ieee ports X 80 - supports EVERY media ever created (even 8 track, vinalm stone carving and smoke singnals) Output resolution to run at full when fun on the upcomming Bio-molecular transfusion in eye retena displays. etc etc etc etc I KNOW THIS IS TRUE because I saw it on the web. And I KNOW FOR A FACT that everything on the web I see is fact with no fiction involved at all. No watered down info at all (much like TV) So DO NOT buy a 360 and DO NOT buy a PS3. WIth a price tage of only $150 and your first born .... this is a deal that only comes one a life-time. ...... sorry guys .... just in a good mood today and felt like making a half ass attempt at being funny. :-) 63 -
To #55Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.12.2006 13:13 Well, for the most part, Microsoft designed Direct-X and created all the compatible software to work best with shader model 3.0 as mac and even Linux use Microsoft’s advanced DirectX software in their systems. Also the 360 Hardware has been designed to cope and compat with the stresses of future standards like directx 10 and shader model 3.0 and beyond. With the advanced triple core CPU and advanced unified shader with 48 (yes that’s right, 48) pipelines in the GPU, there is no doubt Microsoft thought about the future of this thing. All MS really has to do is design an update for the 360 to DirectX 11.0, 12.0, 13.0, so on and so forth to meet the next generation standards in video performance along with updates for compatible software to utilize the best performance of shader 4.0, 5.0 and beyond. The Xbox 360 is definitely future proof to get the most out of the Hardware with the aid of Microsoft’s superior software. It’s common sense, Let me explain. I’ve seen dated PC hardware regularly update to higher versions Direct-X all the time. The point here is I have directx 9c on my PC, but if I roll back the driver to DirectX 8 I can still play the same game using the same exact hardware but it’s not going to look and perform Near as good as DX 9c, even using the same exact Hardware. So you see, by MS having the advantage to update directX versions to the next gen standards, it defines a whole new meaning to unlocking the potential of the hardware to the advantage of software, and Microsoft can do this best. Savvy? 64 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.12.2006 13:42 Have you heard of "Microsoft XNA"? 65 -
HUH!?Trickedbullet 02.12.2006 15:51 How is it that the sony fanboys are able to do hardware specs battle when the ps3 isnt avalible to anyone yet? Does anyone even really know if all the information on the ps3 is even real and not just made up or exaggerated? If I built a console and feared that a rival company might badly beat me, plus I'm japanese, I would frickin lie,exaggerate, and flat out bully, to make the public believe my console was the shiz. Then I would franticly find a way to make the console somewhat like what I had hyped. Then hope that the fans would forgive and forget,then repeat. The 360 is already out, hackers have hacked it into little bits and even now are tinkering with it. We know that the 360 is not a lie, but yet people believe they know ALL about the ps3. Go figure. 66 -
dont jump to conclusionsTHEONENONLY 02.12.2006 16:00 Dont jumo to the conclusion that Sony lied about the PS3 being capable of 1080p. In fact they never realy said anything about games rendering in 1080p. They just said PS3 was capable outputing at 1080p which it may verywell do but it will be for movies. I suspected from the getgo that the 1080p spec would be for movies and not games, and it is looking like i might be right. PS3 and xbox360 will pretty much be on par with each other IMO. 67 -
Games in 1080p???Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.12.2006 16:21 Quote “Sony wanted 1080p, but we’re working at 720p and 1080i, same as on the Xbox 360. Even with [final hardware] in mind, reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible. Instead many developers, ourselves included, are reworking so they run at 720p. PS3’s output takes care of upscaling it - so no native 1080p, but it still looks killer." --------------------------------------------------------------------- It does not change the fact that developers cannot reach good frame rates at 1080p on the PS3. Obviously they tried to or they would not be able to come to this conclusion. However it appears that the PS3 can deinterlace a 720p and upscale to 1080p output but it’s not native 1080p nor was it formated for 1080p. there is a difference in playing something that’s been formatted for 720p on a 1080p conversion than playing something that’s formatted in 1080p with no conversion and there will be some quality loss through the deinterlacing process. Your better off sticking with native 720p format and setting your console to output at 720p rather then trying to up-convert to 1080p. 68 -
alsoUnregistered - BK 02.12.2006 17:45 keep in mind that not long ago Kojima or whoever said that "...HD gaming begins with PS3 and 1080p..." complete crap... 1) Unifies shader system is the futue even nVIDIA IS picking it up and this allows the card to be able to work 100% at 100% of the time alongisde the cpu and this is a big thin since the Xenon (360s CPU) is made alongside Xenos. 2) There was never any plans for RSX. PS3 was made and sony people thought that they could use the cell as the CPU and GPU and as you all mightve guessed they failed...miserably. so they thought hey lets use TWO cells...yet again they failed and the prices were looking extremely high. so they ran to nVIDIA and asked for a card and nVIDIA gave them a 7800 overclocked. That is true and not a story i made up just google for the process of making the ps3 and you should find this. 3) MY OWN OPINION AND SPECULATION: Microsoft is working on a network or expanding the marketplace for this feature: imagine one day you got $60 and you wanna buy a game instaed of dressing and going toa store you turn on your 360 and log into marketplace. you connect to this "network" and you buy GoW. Instead of downloading the network detects your purchase and allows you to use GoW. Instantly you are connected to a supercomputer and are playing GoW. I know its a little far fetched but its completely possible with the 360. They did say that their expanding the marketplace AND this goes with wat Moore said a few days ago about "...going to a store and purchasing a game will be a jkoke in the near future.." so im keeping my thumbs crossed and hope. if i have time ill write some stuff on blu-ray but thats all for now 69 -
my badUnregistered - BK 02.12.2006 17:53 sorry for the spelling errors...my cousin pressed F5 and i had to restart and i just wanted to finish hope you can still read it. 70 -
bko2Unregistered - jules 02.13.2006 00:18 thank you for that...some people just cant figure the numbers out so I will help with tranlation...1 cell processor+1 nvidia 7800 gpu+ 7 math processors + 1080p + mgs4 * ps3= not a chance its over...360 rules...some more math guys 360+halo3=haloaroundtheworld 71 -
Unregistered - david valenti 02.13.2006 00:55 I dont care, both systems look cool. I own 360 and am currently not planning to buy PS3 due to.....I'm not that f***ing rich. So far 360 is wicked awesome@!!!!!@!387T89152FI3U6F I wanna lactate my 360!!!! 72 -
#71Unregistered - asdf 02.13.2006 08:31 May I be the first to say, "Eww. Just eww." 73 -
Unregistered - wotter 02.13.2006 15:13 "nvidia 7800 gpu" STOP! This clearly shows you know nothing about rsx. It's made on 90nm, 7800gtx is on 110nm if I'm not mistaken. RSX =/= 7800 gtx, it only shares similarities. So unless you have a working ps3 or the final specs of rsx, stop making those silly statements, thank you. 74 -
PS3's RSX is sort of Shader Model 3.0Unregistered - hardwood2001 02.13.2006 16:12 PS3's RSX is sort of Shader Model 3.0 http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25950 SONY OFFICIALLY revealed that its RSX graphic part will be kind of Shader Model 3.0 compliant. You cannot actually talk about Shader Model 3.0 if you don't talk Windows DirectX but Shader model 3 has become the best way to describe how programmable a core really is. Developers asked about Shader Model 3.0 support and company responded. It's interesting that the company is embracing Nvidia's failed CG marchitecture as its standard shading language. On the PC, Nvidia decided to kill its CG shading language concept and to make some space for HLSL(Higher Level Shader Language). Sony didn’t have any other choice as HLSL was the only alternative. If you talk Playstation 3 you should talk about CG as this is going to be the only way to do shading for this upcoming console. Sony didn’t want to go for HLSL simply because the Vole itself invented this standard and that stuck in the Japanese firm's craw. The answer was Nvidia's CG. The Vole and its DirectX team wants to make everyone loves HLSL whether you like it or not but you can still bend some rules if you are Sony. If you are the Vole you kind of can afford to be bossy and to make people go the way you want them to go but Sony is tough cake. RSX will enjoy specific version of SM 3.0 adjusted for this core and it will be highly programmable and will let you create some cool effects on Playstation 3. 75 -
xbox 360 is part SM 4.0 and part DX 10Unregistered - hardwood2001 02.13.2006 16:13 Everybody knows that the Xbox 360 is part SM 4.0 and part DX 10, right? 76 -
Unregistered - ejab 02.13.2006 17:44 shader model 4.0? link please. 77 -
Xtrm L1481L1TY 02.13.2006 18:11 OK so let's recap: *The PS3 a machine barely superior to Xbox 360 - not by any significant margin. It’s certainly obvious this machine is not “twice” as powerful as 360, let alone a general leap. Check *Does PS3 really look like the Killzone trailer? No way. Check *Reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible (on the PS3). 1080p is a joke for this generation, just a marketing ploy. Check *PS3 launching in US and Europe this Q4 or early 2007. Check *Sony’s showings of PS3 to date have been seriously sexy. But the reality, while still impressive, is nowhere near the leap beyond Xbox 360 Sony wants you to believe. Check *All these facts are quite a different tune from what Sony promiced at last years E3. Check *Sony mentioned to expect a high price tag for the PS3. Check *Too many gullible people got duped again by Sony’s smoke screen. What’s that old saying? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. CHECK! However, PS3 does offer blu-ray, but at what price? 78 -
ok lets clear this up dudeUnregistered - BK 02.13.2006 19:27 "nvidia 7800 gpu" STOP! This clearly shows you know nothing about rsx. It's made on 90nm, 7800gtx is on 110nm if I'm not mistaken. RSX =/= 7800 gtx, it only shares similarities. So unless you have a working ps3 or the final specs of rsx, stop making those silly statements, thank you. im pretty sure i said and overclocked 7800...but of course im sure you know what that means, if you do then thats gd if you dont research a little im saying all this from at least a year just learning the structure of 360s gpu and cpu 79 -
btwUnregistered - BK 02.13.2006 19:35 the RSX is finalized as so is the ps3...the final dev kits are out and the specs they released were there goal. So itll be the specs they announced or something below because when you set a goal you know that, thats the maximum and im sure they wont surpass it because 1) cost 2) when you release hopefull specs of a system you want to impress people so you usually set it above the limit and this goes twice for sony...remember ps2 anyone? it came out for 1500$ no one bought it it went back and came back out for $500 Sony is just going on and ON about these features which half of us will never use. True sony hasnt released much about the ps3 their doing gd keeping things seret but dont expect too much difference because developers have the final dev kits of both systems (360 and ps3) and one of my heroes id softwares is using their 360s for their base developement and porting to PC!!!!NO ONE IN THE HISTORY HAS DONE THIS (no one that actually counts and except for exclusive games like GTA). so id say 360 is ahead oh and id are the people who made DOOM series for people that need to know. Also there was an interview about 3-4 months ago with Epic and they also mentioned they would prefer developing for 360. If you dont believe my words youve GOT to believe theirs. 80 -
Unregistered - dr greentumb 02.13.2006 20:17 anyone who really knows anything will know how sony came to be in the game console buisness, it was thanks to nintendo, sony then stabed them in the back once they had enough info on how to make a console and now it appears that sony dont know who to turn to now for help. viva le nintendo 81 -
Whats All This Stupid Brand Loyalty Sh*t ?Unregistered - Captain Sensible 02.13.2006 20:24 Whats All This Stupid Brand Loyalty Sh*t ? Sony Ps3 Will beat MS xb 360 and vice versa ?, you saps sound like children defending your favourite company. Its about the games, always has been and always will be, i'll eventually own ps3 and 360, just like i own xbox,ps2 and GC......Dc PC as long as they run different software thats what matters. 82 -
Unregistered - dr greentumb 02.13.2006 20:45 i agree 100% with the the last post, its not all about the graphics the new nintendo is the only system affering anything new a moation sensor controller 83 -
ps3 is lameUnregistered - youll wack 02.13.2006 21:25 ps23 has a dumb ass controller and xbox360 graphics is tight 84 -
youl assholes lameUnregistered - nnn 02.13.2006 21:33 what is a ps23 #81,some of youl cant spell ,some of youl geekes stay off ,by the way what the hell is a got dam p13 and a microsoft 40,000 ,stay the hell off the internet 85 -
Unregistered - Gamer 02.13.2006 22:53 Did anyone see this, first page? "Naturally, the hardware is not completely final (but pretty damn close), and as you can imagine, all of our access was utterly privileged on condition of complete anonymity for those who helped us get on the inside." So, not complete final hardware, that can produce graphics like gears of war and the games were in ealy developement, that sounds more impressive than X360 to me and just think, X360 is supposed to be the easier format to dev for, meaning it should be showing quite a bit of power with GOW. The reason for no 1080p is because the devs they talked to didn't have final hardware and games are still in their early stages BYE BYE XFLOP1.5 86 -
Unregistered - Kll 02.13.2006 23:24 ^^ He wrote this while waiting for the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause to show up. I'll give you an "A" for imagination. 87 -
Unregistered - Da Playa 02.13.2006 23:39 The editor of this article is the same guy who claimed to have inside info on Shenmu3 'Adam Doree' "kikizo lied, shenmue died never trust obscure sites with lucrative "exclusives," kids" http://www.nemesisz.net/articles/11905.html 88 -
to post #87- Ryu Ga Gotoku Coming To The US As 'Yakuza'Unregistered - hardwood2001 02.14.2006 05:47 to post #87- Ryu Ga Gotoku Coming To The US As 'Yakuza' http://www.gamersreports.com/news/1326/ According to a recent edition of Game Informer Magazine, Sega has decided to bring its Shenmue-esque action adventure Ryu Ga Gotoku to the US. The game will be redubbed "Yakuza," and will see release later in 2006. This should hold you fanatical Shenmue fans over till Shenmue 3, oh wait there won't be a Shenmue 3.... http://www.gamefront.de/ 89 -
Unregistered - ejab 02.14.2006 12:06 Shenmue 3 still might come out, its just that sega-am2 needs someone to greenlight the project. 90 -
geezusUnregistered - blah... 02.14.2006 12:37 Post #85 You are a ****ing moron. Basically nothing outside of a nuclear holocaust is going to bring M$ down. This company has far too much money and will to keep the 360 going to let anyone say "BYE BYE" to the 360. Same goes for the PS3. Why cant people just accept that both are here to stay and enjoy both systems. Alas, people for the most part just need a good edumacation. 91 -
Unregistered - PhenomS3 02.14.2006 14:56 PS3 will fuk the REDNEXBOX 180 up 92 -
Unregistered - ZIpperman 02.14.2006 15:09 ^^ Name calling, hahahahahaaa REDNECKBOX or whatever, I remember making up funny words when name calling. Hahahahah, yeah, man oh man kindergarden was fun. 93 -
Unregistered - BJ 02.14.2006 16:49 No, all of the sony kids are coming out of the woodwork now because the PS3 got less than a glowing review, so now it's damage control time. This reminds me a lot of 1999 and the emotion engine mess. Sony hypes up their products and then disappoints everyone. After all this "It is more of an Xbox 1.5" stuff, I'm not surprised, it has happened before. Bottom line, Cell is a single core processor (an spe is not a core) and has a single thread available to developers (cell is dual threaded, but a thread is reserved for spe scheduling). Cell also has VMX 32 on it's only core while Xenon has VMX 128 per thread (which includes more gaming instructions and registers) and Dot Product instruction. RSX also does not have unified shaders, nor is it directx10 or Sm4.0 compliant. The Xenos lacks a feature that makes it directx10 compliant, but that feature is picked up by Xenon (making Xbox 360 directx10 compliant). Also, graphics programs are being written to take advantage of unified shaders (much like bump mapping and normal mapping were created to improve graphics). Guess what? PS3 will not be able to do those things. Sony fans look at theoretical power on pie charts and declare the console to be extremely powerful. MS has been hammering how important software is, and when directx10 and SM4.0 roll around (which they will bring out sooner than later) the PS3 will be left behind. Funny how no one ever mentions this or the future of unified shaders when talking about these consoles. Itagaki said that if you understand how to read spec sheets, the PS3 is not nearly as impressive. I'd have to agree. Then add on top off all of this the efficient architecture of 360 and the great development tools that MS provides and the sum total of all those things determines a consoles "power". 94 -
Unregistered - Fashisall 02.14.2006 17:23 YEAH !!! 95 -
Unregistered - REDNEXBOX 180 ad campaign 02.14.2006 22:42 *bunch of Rednecks playing the 360* REDNEXBOX 180! IT'S THE RED NECKS CONSOLE OF CHOICE BECAUSE ONLY RED NECKS ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO BUY IT! REDNEXBOX 180 WHERE THE RED NECKS LIKE TO PLAY!! YEEE HAWWW! YYEEE HAWWW! 96 -
Unregistered - truth 02.14.2006 22:46 Hey dumbass up there talking about specs. Specs mean nothing to you, you're the gamer not the developer, and even if you are what 360 game are you working on huh? Specs don't matter, games matter. 360 only has watered down shooters and other generic, boring games designed to appeal to western audience. Who want to play that garbage? No one, and PS3 regardless of specs will have more imaginitve games Xflop won't have. 97 -
Unregistered - BJ 02.14.2006 23:54 So Sony consoles have good games now? And for your quote about watered down shooters. Too Human, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Cry On, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Lost Planet, Ninety nine nights, Shadowrun, Oblivion, an Exclusive "Tales of" game. Hmmmmm, not one shooter mentioned. You sony kids are ignorant. And rather than talk about specs, or development tools, you kids throw hype around like you know what it means. Let's see, you wanna talk about games? Killzone, Final Fantasy, Dragon quest, or the snooze fest that is Metal Gear? Don't talk about games when this is all you have to look forward to. Can't wait until the disappointment sets in for you sony kids. Pathetic. 98 -
Unregistered - T-man 02.15.2006 01:29 "Hey dumbass up there talking about specs. Specs mean nothing to you, you're the gamer not the developer, and even if you are what 360 game are you working on huh? Specs don't matter, games matter. 360 only has watered down shooters and other generic, boring games designed to appeal to western audience. Who want to play that garbage? No one, and PS3 regardless of specs will have more imaginitve games Xflop won't have. " "Truth" or whatever your name is, you really need to stop the name calling and grow up, kid. You say no one wants to play western games, there are millions of people who would disagree with you. People have different tastes, and you clearly are not old enough to understand this. Instead of agreeing to disagree, you resort to name calling and insults, and it is really immature. I personally don't like any Sony games, so I don't bother, why should anyone have a problem with this? 99 -
"HAHAHAUnregistered - HAHAH 02.15.2006 10:30 If you call the 360 a redneck box then you must call the PS3 " Penis Shy of 3 inches. 100 -
Thats too funny ^^^^Unregistered - LMAO 02.15.2006 14:35 Penis Shy of 3" ^^^^ LMAO, that was good! I'm still laughing. 101 -
Unregistered - my pe nis is 27 inches 02.15.2006 20:45 yes my peni s is shy of 3 inches, I wanted it to be 30 inches but it's only 27, sigh. 102 -
Unregistered - truth 02.15.2006 20:49 even if you like western games, I bet the PS3 will end up getting all the western support for shooters and stuff anyway, so it won't matter. ion the end all xflop has is halo, this is countered by mgs4. halo 2 was awfully shlt as a single player, the multiplayer was a slow mans unbalanced unreal tournament. and will the 360 have tivo/ dvr support or an internet browser? nope, but ps3 does. 103 -
Unregistered - ZIpperman 02.15.2006 21:11 It already has a browser you block head. Do your homework before you make youself look worse than you do. 104 -
Unregistered - Antone 02.15.2006 21:22 PS3 will get western shooters like what, Killzone and I-8? Hilarious! Good luck with that, junior. 105 -
Unregistered - xeon121 02.15.2006 22:30 just a quick note why are ps3 fanboys on a 360news site.....something to do with the fact that the 360 is actually out mabay... dunno mabay they need 2 kill time till late 2007 go figure 106 -
NoobsMighty Boom 02.15.2006 22:36 You all are NOOBS! " I like the 360, no your stupid its all about the PS3." Kids, its past your bed time!!!!!! 107 -
#40 (i think)Yo Wassap 02.22.2006 08:32 DLP sucks like hell, LCD projecters are still higher quality and anyway 65" isn't even that big... can't we all get along and be wealthy enough to get all three systems and all the xtras and games? 108 -
Y R U HERE!!??Unregistered - John 04.11.2006 18:44 Get out PS Fanboyz. THIS IS XBOX 360 NEWS NOT PS NOOS. Get Out A*******! Add Comment |
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