20 Mar 2006 08:21 | Dusty | Xbox 360
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A team of hackers have now been able to play a back-up copy of PGR3 running on an Xbox 360 with reprogrammed DVD drive firmware. The hackers released a video yesterday to prove that the Xbox 360 now has officially been hacked. According to the hackers the security flaw is in the hardware design, so MS will not be able to patch this hole through a forced XBL update.
The hackers claims that they have no plans to release any tutorial guide to help people play back-ups, their intentions is only to get an understanding of how the 360 is protected. However I am not sure if that statement will calm the people at Microsoft’s security team.
Update: For all sceptical people, the hackers have also posted the original video: http://rapidshare.de/files/15899907/360hackORG.mpeg.html
1 - Do this TV have any Video IN in the Back??
Unregistered - PMX360 03.20.2006 09:08
I dont believe that, they din't show the back of the TV!!
Unregistered - dr greentumb 03.20.2006 09:24
what good is a hack if they wont release it?
3 - Why release such info??
Unregistered - officerhardbody 03.20.2006 09:27
if they diden't want to release on how to hack,then why mention this out there?they must want the system to fail by leaking out sources.Stupid Cunts!
4 - I am "GLAD" they won't release the info
Unregistered - Northern Lights 03.20.2006 09:28
Yes, let's all run out and copy all the games so we don't have to give the game companies any cash and eventually they will stop making games and the consoles (PS3 included because it WILL happen) will get support and we will be so proud we shot ourselves in the foot. They sell the consoles at a loss to try and get the cash back in game and accessory sales.
For frig sake guys, if you like a game and it is giving you hours of fun, just go out and buy it.
5 - #2
Unregistered - v 03.20.2006 09:41
If you found a way to blow up the world using home items would you release it to the public? Ok then... go play with yourself.
6 - to # 4
Unregistered - boostin 03.20.2006 09:44
the mod chips didnt kill the gaming industry. every single system before the 360 has been hacked to allow the playing of pirated games (except for cartridge consoles) so this would be no different than a new 360 mod chip.
7 - right..
Unregistered - vc 03.20.2006 09:47
I don't belive it! Why didn't he show us from far away to see if the 360 blinks saying it can't read it... it could be a recording for all we know. If he really wants to prove he did it start the 360 in the manue and pop in the game so we can see. Need more footage.
Unregistered - Rahl 03.20.2006 10:05
Meh, I'm going to raise the BS flag. Exactly what was stated above me. How do we know there wasn't another 360 connected to the back of the TV and someone else turned it on. Anyone can make a disc spin around inside the 360.
I didn't see anything.
9 - old
Unregistered - p0 03.20.2006 10:15
This is old man.. anyways, I'm glad they are no releasing the information but it will be revealed with time, we all know that.
Unregistered - Fizzle 03.20.2006 10:16
To number 6
You make a good point, and maybe what will happen is ALL the consoles will go back to cartridge with all the restrictions and limitations the cartridge has. Then I guess we will be happy and proud of ourselves.
Stop being so freaken' cheap and BUY the games you like.
11 - If you see the first fake 360 hack video..
Unregistered - PMX360 03.20.2006 10:22
If you see the first fake 360 hack video you will listen the same prodigy music, so this is the fake 360 hack video part 2 "The Revenge"
xeon121 03.20.2006 11:09
i for one did have a moded xbox. I regret doing this now as my original xbox is screwed and its all down to the mod chip, i have my 360, and i will never mod it no matter what,but i can understand why some peaple would choose to mod them, at 50 gbp a game for younger folk especially that is just to much for peaple like myself on a steady income its not to much of dent in the wallet but still expensive, i suppose this is the price of the next gen?
13 - Buy the game dammit
Unregistered - THAT GUY! 03.20.2006 11:19
Just Buy the game. If you can afford the 360 you should be able to afford the games. People these days really piss me off! If this video is real they shouldn't even post it. It might give people ideas and make this whole problem worse. I wont pay anymore attention to this I will buy every game and anyone who copy's a game is a beatch and a poor excuse for a gamer!!PEACE!
14 - It's a good thing
Unregistered - Mr. Underground 03.20.2006 11:49
You guys seems like you will do anything to keep your consoles alive, this goes out to all you 360, Revolution and PS3 fans out there.Especially you 360 lovers "Buy the game if it's fun" Piracy is not a bad thing,it's a good thing, embrace it. Why should i spend $400 on a 360 and $60 on every game, i am not BillGates for Christ's sake, this is why i'm part of the Underground. Bring it on, as i'm writing this post, there many people out there trying to decode the 360, i say to them rip it apart and let the information comes out, it is not our fault if the console can be hacked. BillGates makes billions, it is the capitalist system "make as much as you can", therefore if i can live off of him, why not do it, for the sake of a console i will not do it, who am i kidding, i'm from the Underground, open up this baby, i don't care if MS loses money,the same way they don't care if i don't make money.
15 - Piracy will always be
Unregistered - speed 03.20.2006 12:01
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but there is no end to piracy. There will never be an 100% hack proof system. The best companies can hope for is to limit the piracy, i.e. make it a complete pain in the butt to successfully hack and count on the less tech savvy folks to continue to buy the games. The original Xbox has been hacked to death, there are tons of modded Xboxs out there but Xbox continues to do well because there are enough people against piracy or who aren't tech enough to do the modding themselves. I don't think Microsoft has much to fear with this IMHO.
xeon121 03.20.2006 12:23
I think a key point which hasnt been picked up on is Live, if your are going to mod your 360 do not expect to be playing on live, and if your not playing on live why have a 360? go buy a ps2 and play yourself at final fantasy or killzone.Modding and stuff wont ever by stoped that is true, but you have a choice be honest and buy the game, enjoying all the live content map updates, and also a game that doesnt crash, or go for the alternative and be constrained to a single player bug fest
Unregistered - William 03.20.2006 12:44
your all dumb, it's real you know it is...neways piracy is bad, but hey I rent movies from Mcdonalds for $1 and burn em...so I guess I'm bad too
Unregistered - dubb 03.20.2006 13:32
if you are going to pirate games, movies, and music at least make sure you buy what you would have bought anyway. I spend more than I can afford on all this junk anyway, so I don't feel guilty downloading a little extra. Besides since M$ has been so good about putting out demos I don't feel like it's necessary to pirate 360 games personally.
19 - pirates suck
Unregistered - p h fat 03.20.2006 14:00
as may have been pointed out..
hacking a 360 doesn't bother me and it probably doesn't bother microsoft as to hack them and use them for other things you must still buy the 360.....but
pirating games only really hurts the publishers and game programers as they will end up not being able to make games as pirates have stolen all the profits.
dont steal games as i love games and think the world would be a very dull place if new games were to stop coming.
20 - Too black and white peoples!!
Unregistered - Abilor 03.20.2006 14:51
As far as game playing, the previous poster who mentioned that live will be the pirate killer is spot on. This hack will probably work itself out like Bunnie's original xbox hack; he wasn't interested in "distributing" the hack himself either, but he did make the technical documents available as an intellectual exercise. Now the shady underground of the console modification industry will step in to implement the solution, unless of course this is a question of making the files for the firmware hack available in "the usual places." To be feasable, I imagine there may be some way to toggle the hack so that live can be played with the mod off. I still think this might surface as the supposed "dual hard drive" method that others have hypothesized about, where a 2nd 20 gig drive (or hacked SATA 300GB monster) will step in for unsigned code, and the stock drive will be used for signed code on xbox live. This creates an opening for the modification industry, where they might not control tha hack itself (as with mod chips), but supply the tools and equipment necessary to do the installation and use it effectively. After this initial upheaval, though, there will be a normalising period where the methods and products required become standardized, and a range of options is opened that we can't possible know about now; the hack itself is still "interpretively flexible" (see SCOT).
However this works out though, the "to pirate or not to pirate" conversation is pretty naive, in my opinion. There are pros and cons to the whole affair. The immediate pro is that backed up game play does become available, which is highly beneficial given that some games just plain suck, and their developers don't deserve any money to begin with (Fable? Are you listening?) Playing them previous to buying is helpful, with no rental fees required. Blockbuster games like Halo, PDZ, DOA, GRAW, and hopefully GOW will make their own money since live is the best way to play. Games in the middle, like Oblivion for example, which are highly profitable but piratable since they're for one player, are more of the grey zone that gets filled in by your personal moral system.
Regardless of game piracy though, the fact the box can be modded is useful for a whole lot more than backups. I wish, for example, that I could stream xvid encoded high definition videos from my media center PC to the 360, since it's hooked up to the HDTV. So far I have not found a way, and a hack would really help. It's the same with a lot of little weird formats, that we should be able to update, but the 360 doesn't let us since it's much more gridded out for us than a PC. Modding gives you back that flexibility, in a nutshell. So even if you don't want to pirate games out of a sense of fair play that studios get their cut (notice I said studios, not designers or programmers; if you actually think that the people who really make the games somehow receive the money you spend on them, you are sorely mistaken, with a few exceptions that may prove the rule), you at least deserve the added functionality that a mod permits that MS won't let you have out of their duty to protect their intellectual "property."
Besides, without a mod, how am I going to play all those NES games I legitmately bought, and now have source code for on my hard drive? I'm legally entitled to play those back ups (not that that's the main issue for me), and functional NESes are few and far between; emulation is the REAL backwards compatibility feature that I want.
I could go on, but you could go to xbox-scene.com or many of the other great sites around that discuss what I'm talking about. Just, please, don't break this conversation down to the naive view of "to pirate or not to pirate"; there's much more at stake here...
21 - Stealing no matter what.
Unregistered - g_CodeMonkey 03.20.2006 19:47
Sorry, guys, but not paying for a game is the same as walking into BestBuy, grabbing a copy of something and walking out, except you have less of a chance of getting caught. Its still stealing. Otherwise, at least go rent it from someone, buy a used copy or borrow it from a friend, but stealing is stealing. And yes, I know publishers don't get my money for rentals or used copies, but at least its a legitimate copy, and increased rental demand may spur more copies sold to the publisher.
That said, I should be able to backup my stuff. I've got small kids, the disc gets scratched/split (coming out of the container), etc.
I also appreciate the game demos, as it lets me try the game out (just tried Fight Night 3).
Finally, the MPAA and RIAA really piss me off. They won't be satisfied until your rights to only have backups through RE-PURCHASE is complete.
22 - A little girl named Sue
Unregistered - SH 03.20.2006 23:19
Does anyone remember the DirecTv "H card" hacking that let you get free TV? It became so prolific DirecTv sent over 170,000 demand letters to customers it said was stealing TV (including OJ Simpson --$25K I believe). Scared the sh*t out of everyone (including me).
Don't think MS (or Sony, Nintendo) won't try something like that too -- they may go after the end users not just the hackers. Forget about your "one backup" legal right -- if MS detects you never played the legit copy first, they got a case. In addition to blocking your Live! you may have fork over some $ or defend it in a lawsuit.
It's just not worth it.
Yes Microsoft (or Sony, Nintendo) would take a PR hit for doing that, but only in the hacker community.
FreeMonk 03.20.2006 23:25
#19 - A quick reply to you. Microsoft NEED to sell games to make a profit. They are losing a lot of money everytime they sell a 360 console, because it costs more to make than they sell it for. They depend upon the games to make back what they are losing on the console.
So piracy is not only hitting the publishers and developers, but also the maker of the console as well, and this will be the case for the PS3 as well, because Sony must be in the same boat as MS when pricing there console.
As for Live, if this is indeed true, and it's a firmware patch rather than a chip or softmod, it might be hard for MS to detect who is playing copies and who is playing originals on Live! They can't really send out a new update, because it's firmware not software that's being altered.
Honestly though, I think the video is fake. If you look, when the game is loading you can clearly see and hear the lazer moving up and down when reading the disc. When, he pans up to the screen though to show it loading, and it's playing the FMV, you cannot hear the lazer moving at all. Now, I'm not sure about anyone elses, but you can hear your lazer move when loading the title's, and this would of been the same for that one. This is fake!
If this was real, it would be out there by now. This is probably one of the first things the hackers checked to be honest. Plus, if a friend told you how to do it, then your friend told his friends etc etc, it would be on the net right now. It's like an outbreak when things like this get mentioned.
PS - 2 Days to OBLIVION!!!! WOOO HOOOOO! I've got to finish Ghost Recon before then!
24 - Fake?
Unregistered - SH 03.20.2006 23:45
I say fake too. To make that video more believable, they should show the back of the tv (no inputs) or (un)plug the video in and out a few times.
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Firmware theory and cheap a$$ video doesn't count. Could just have easily shown a PS2 running PGR3.
Oh and on suing the end user, not the hacker -- in addition to DirecTv also consider the 15,000+ lawsuits from the Recording Industry Association of America on illegal napster, etc downloads. Won't necessarly be MS, Sony or Nintendo, but a conglomeration representing all game companies.
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