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02 May 2006 08:41 | Master X 24 | Xbox 360 | Playstation 3 Xbox360News.com | Link to this article
PS3 being cabable of 133.6 GFLOPS and the Xbox 360 being capable of 115.2 GFLOPS, the PS3 is not nearly as far ahead of the Xbox 360 as we were lead to believe. we should expect relatively similar power coming from both consoles, processor power, and ease of programming all considered.
Read More Add Comment Unregistered - Mghty Blow 05.02.2006 08:57 yeah now try to get the gs3 sheep to belive it! Unregistered - Fade To Black 05.02.2006 09:09 I don't care how many more GFLOPS the ps3 can do it all comes down to this. The ps3 has a bottle neck between the memory and the cell processors and the ps3 has an inferior graphics processor. Raw horsepower doesent mean chit when were just talking about cpu speed. in the end the xbox 360 will have at least the slightly better looking games when both systems are utilized efficeiently. Unregistered - smarty pants 05.02.2006 09:11 Is this not on PS3TODAY.com. What a racket. Is this BS or not. Sick of this "console war". Just show me the darn games. Unregistered - la chancla 05.02.2006 10:41 the ps3 DOESNT have inferior graphics processor it has 550 mhz! while x360 has a 500 mhz! and ps3 has more gflops, 3 times bigger harddrive , support from a chit load of japanese games,chit load of exclusive games ,next gen dvd player , and now in november its going to have a online service just like xbox live.so no matter how u try and compare the 2 systems sony has made shure that the ps3 is better than than the x 360 in every way possible. Unregistered - Dark 05.02.2006 10:43 All Sony fagboys should shut up. Unregistered - la chancla 05.02.2006 10:48 im not a fanboy of either console. myabe thats why i dont blind myself from the truth. i have a 360 so sdfu Unregistered - Seriously! 05.02.2006 10:58 This is an XBOX 360 site - why are you here? Do some research! Even the developers are turning towards Microsoft. Hey fanboy's what operating system runs in EVERY sony PC?? Hmmm... Sony is already paying microsoft. In the past sony had the ability to rest on it's profits from it's other computer electronics division's (such as televisions) but now that is even drying up thanks to Samsung being the #1 producer of consumer electronics in the world. The PSP - even I own one, has been totally mis-managed and mis-marketed. Microsoft has enough CASH to buy out Sony's electronics division, but it will be cheaper to push them out of business. Sorry ranting.... REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR! I much rather support an AMERICAN entrepreneur!!! Unregistered - egh 05.02.2006 10:59 "the ps3 DOESNT have inferior graphics processor it has 550 mhz! while x360 has a 500 mhz! and ps3 has more gflops, 3 times bigger harddrive , support from a chit load of japanese games,chit load of exclusive games ,next gen dvd player , and now in november its going to have a online service just like xbox live.so no matter how u try and compare the 2 systems sony has made shure that the ps3 is better than than the x 360 in every way possible." the ps3 actually does not have "a chit load" of exclusive games...i think the actual total comes to like 4 or something? In case you havent been keeping up bud, 9/10 of the ps3 exclusives have now been announced for release on X360. Btw, your clone of xbl is gonna be a load of donkey piss...sony hasnt made "shure" of anything, and you obviously dont know at all what you are talking about. The difference in speeds is very minimal, and probably wont make the slightest difference. You also forgot to mention how much more difficult it is to program for that trash of a processor, and how microsoft has been hard at work buying up that "chit load" of japanese producers. Unregistered - ggaga 05.02.2006 11:03 and unfortunatley, the "next gen dvd player" isnt a dvd player bud...its blu-ray, and its a shame that even though the storage may be huge, the speed of the player wont run fast enough to turn out all the data too fast...expect huge load times, and expect slow games, because of the slow first gen blu-ray drive, the entire horsepower of the system will be limited by that. Unregistered - blaze33 05.02.2006 11:04 in the end....its all about the games..hell, if wii had better games than xbox360 then wii would better that xbox360... Unregistered - la chancla 05.02.2006 11:11 they have been hard at work towards getting japan market.... but its not going to happen...and u talk about ps3 not having exclusive titles.. what about capcom they pretty much made all games exclusive for ps2 then released em later for xbox. all japanese games are going to be ps3 exclusives. at leased until japanese market figures out that the x360 dosent sell japanses games. people buy x360 cause there feeling patriotic japan has no interest in the x360 as proven in there sales. do u honestly think there going to make games when they go to the stores in japan and see no one buing em! and then look over at the ps3 and there selling out. see the xbox 360 didnt sell out in japan but the ps3 will sell out in japan as the x360 did to the us. Unregistered - Xgamer 05.02.2006 11:34 Even though the RSX has a 550 mhz. speed it's still a much inferior graphics processor to the XBOX 360's. and no! the ps3 doesnt and wont have "way more" g flops than the xbox 360. Pay attention kid. Your system unfortunately will botleneck most every game. SLOW SLOw SLow Slow slow. ENOUGH OF THIS! Now lets just play the games we love playing. Unregistered - Fade To Black 05.02.2006 11:40 Your comments about the the gpu show your lack of kowledge on the subject. You state that just because the speed is slightly faster on the ps3's gpu that it is better. You are terribly mistaken buddy. Why dont you ask Intel how a much slower amd cpu performs much better in gaming applications than any intel cpu made to date? Oh and lets not forget about the xbox 360's bus architecture. Its far more effeicient in getting information from the cpu to the gpu and the memory. And I'm not being a fanboy i am stating the facts which i have read from many people that know what there talking about when it comes to the technical specs. the bottom line is I will most likely buy a ps3 also if there is agame i want i cant get on 360. I will also buy the "Revolution" for the nintendo exclusives. but if i have a choice the 360 is king. Best controller ever made, best online live network. I support microsoft for changing the industry and driving it forward with its competition with Sony. We would probably not have any next gen systems for some time to come if it wasnt for their deep pockets competing with Sony's smoke and mirrors... Unregistered - 360fanboy 05.02.2006 11:50 We are the ones in the trenches! We must let he world know the truth about the DelayStation 3. Seriouly Ps3 claims of back-compatibilty is a load of bull. Mark my words it will not be especially since they are they are emulating. That will be a huge task with the library of games they have. You guys need to face it Sony has seriuos problems. Unregistered - as 05.02.2006 11:58 LMAO! INFERIOR! Unregistered - pop that colla 05.02.2006 12:17 You (sonyfanboys) have been waiting for an overhyped POS. The 360 GPU is designed for games and graphics. It was stated in an article on this site that the 360 will have a slight graphic edge over the PS3. The 360 is a beast and at E3 all of the Sony fanboys will see they have been waiting for nothing. Could have been playing next gen along time ago. My prediction is after E3 alot of Sony boys will jump ship to the 360 b/c with the games and graphics MS is showing Sony don't stand a chance! schnodder 05.02.2006 12:46 right!!! Unregistered - Delh 05.02.2006 12:46 Don't dare try to simplify this because it isn't a simple matter. Just because rsx is 550MHZ and Xenos is 500 doesn't make rsx better... Reality check AMD uses lower clock speeds for all their processors in most cases the core clock on on the AMD processors are atleast 600-1000MHZ less and guess what? The amd processors still outperform the intel processors. In the case of the 360 and the PS3 the ps3 has a 50 megahertz advantage.... that is NOTHING. The 360's gpu has 48 shader units 48 of these shader units can be used for pixel shader processing or vertex shader processing. Whereas the ps3's gpu only has 24 pixel pipelines and 8 vertex pipelines. The rsx has more raw horsepower, but thats all it has. Its nowhere nearly as efficient as the 360's gpu. The 360 gpu is 95-99% efficient with 4XFSAA enabled and achieves a fillrate performance of 16 gigasamples. The peak fillrate possible on the rsx is 13.2 gigsamples, but guess what? Due to it not being nearly as efficient as the 360's gpu it doesn't achieve that 13.2 gigasample fillrate. The 360 gpu doesn't need more raw horsepower because it has twice the pixel shader units and 6 times the vertex shader units. Want to know the most important reason as to why the rsx can't achieve its peak rendering performance? It lacks the proper amount of video memory bandwidth. The ps3's rsx has a video memory bandwidth of 48GB per second. Take a guess what the 360's gpu has? 256GB per second (that isn't a typo) It has more than 5 times the video memory bandwidth of the ps3's rsx. The 360's gpu isn't as hindered as the rsx is. Video memory bandwidth is one of the MOST important things in regards to a gpu's graphics performance and the 360 has more than 5 times what the ps3 has. That extra video memory bandwidth will go an amazingly long way in allowing the 360 to continually surprise people with its graphics capabilities throughout its entire lifespan. No pc gpu will have 256GB of video memory bandwidth anytime soon. Even 2 years from now you are likely not still not to see such an excessive amount of video memory bandwidth. Lucid360 05.02.2006 13:05 GPU - The ps3 GPU has one thing that the 360 doesnt have a PPU (Physix Processing Unit) the 360 GPU is compatable with dx10 instructions, not all of them but a good amount of instructions that are not even available to PCs yet, until Windows Vista comes out. 360 has a UNIFIED shader which the PS3 doesnt have. The ps3 GPU is a little faster. The 360 does support the AGEIA physics toolset but it just doesnt have the PPU to speed the caluculations. BOOTLENECK - the Pipeline a 360 has is VASTLY superior to that of the Ps3's system as it has been tested. GFLOPS - PS3 wins here, but the win is not as big as Sony previously try to lead people to believe. ONLINE - Short of a miracle 360 WILL BE the premier online community for console gaming this generation. HDD - PS3s is upgradable, and kudos to PS3 for making it standard. CONTROLLER - Boomerang or the 360 controller? I love the 360 controller, it is outstanding. CELL - there are 7 CELL SPES, one is a redundancy and as such will not be used for general use, it is ther ein case of fault. One of the others is for the OS... leaving 5 CELL SPEs actual from running Game code. FINALLY - THEY BOTH HAVE PLUSES AND MINUS' GET OVER IT ALREADY, MS and Sony just want your money. As long as they have good games I will own both.. Unless you own stock or are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in the console wars... get over it and play the games. Lucid360 05.02.2006 13:05 GPU - The ps3 GPU has one thing that the 360 doesnt have a PPU (Physix Processing Unit) the 360 GPU is compatable with dx10 instructions, not all of them but a good amount of instructions that are not even available to PCs yet, until Windows Vista comes out. 360 has a UNIFIED shader which the PS3 doesnt have. The ps3 GPU is a little faster. The 360 does support the AGEIA physics toolset but it just doesnt have the PPU to speed the caluculations. BOOTLENECK - the Pipeline a 360 has is VASTLY superior to that of the Ps3's system as it has been tested. GFLOPS - PS3 wins here, but the win is not as big as Sony previously try to lead people to believe. ONLINE - Short of a miracle 360 WILL BE the premier online community for console gaming this generation. HDD - PS3s is upgradable, and kudos to PS3 for making it standard. CONTROLLER - Boomerang or the 360 controller? I love the 360 controller, it is outstanding. CELL - there are 7 CELL SPES, one is a redundancy and as such will not be used for general use, it is ther ein case of fault. One of the others is for the OS... leaving 5 CELL SPEs actual from running Game code. FINALLY - THEY BOTH HAVE PLUSES AND MINUS' GET OVER IT ALREADY, MS and Sony just want your money. As long as they have good games I will own both.. Unless you own stock or are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in the console wars... get over it and play the games. Unregistered - videl 05.02.2006 13:31 you xbots are so foolish!!! you take the theortical power of the xbox360 and compare it with the real power of the ps3. but the ps3's real power is bigger than the theoretical power of the xbox360, hahaaa !!! if you take the real power of the xobx360 you will see thats near 20GFlops, hahaaa, you fools !!! Unregistered - PiS3 Fanboy 05.02.2006 13:36 The previous post show how ignorant you xbots people are. Just because the 360’s Geoprocessor has 9X time the syncing power of the Ps3 does not make it superior. The Ps3 can make that part by bottlenecking the ion power in the OVR driver. What will happen then is that the Twin SkF’s will then unite with cell chip allow it the forbare raw power to the hardrive. You see the 360 is limited in RYG because the advance emulating drivers. This will allow it to talk to the Devil. What they should have done redirected the torque over to the Galvatron emittor’s like Sony did with Ps3.Top that Stupid Xbots. Unregistered - hellraiser501 05.02.2006 13:49 True sony fans will never change there minds because they don't care as much about graphics if they did they would of went to the xbox 1 last gen so even if the 360 is better they are still going to stick with the system that has the games they like (rpgs third person action adventure games)there is noting wrong with that. I much prefer fps games which is why i bought a 360 Xtrm L1481L1TY 05.02.2006 13:53 #22 You have no f*cking clue what hell you're talking about. Unregistered - Master X 24 05.02.2006 13:55 First off if graphics were the main thing the xbox would have own the ps23 but the ps2 had a 2 year head start and what the xbox did to the game gamecube was good cuz the xbox was a brand new system and evevyone knew about nintendo. Xbox outsold the gamecube and got 2nd and the 360 will do alot better this time cuz it has more support and the ps3 graphics wont be that great the maker of metal gear soild 4 even said that it could work on the 360. I just want to sonyfans the STFU about how great the ps3 is when it really isnt all the great. Blue ray is a big risk and its not going to replace the dvd anytime soon plus u also got hd dvd which is great with good support so thats another battle for sony. as for wii thats the most overhyped system ever its just a upgraded light gun Unregistered - la chancla 05.02.2006 14:38 lol i would believe you guys if we werent in a xbox fanboy site!!! xbox360news.com HELLO!!!!! only xbox fanboys visit this place! lol and i have been plaing next gen games on my x360 all this time since NOV 22! but ill definetly trade in this for ps3 cash Unregistered - pRo loGic 05.02.2006 15:19 I guess this is why i'm a, supposed xbot Unregistered - ffsdfs 05.02.2006 15:47 Who gives a sh1t Unregistered - missy-e 05.02.2006 15:50 Thats funny that you Sony fanboys say it's all about the games if dev's can make better more complex games on the 360 ,in time all non 360 games will be looked down opon by the cosumers. Unregistered - 007 05.02.2006 16:21 who gives a sh!t about what you think #28 spending $400-$700 is a big deal and a lot of folks do give a SH1T! so STFU F@G.This goes for anybody that thinks this is'nt a big deal. Unregistered - Fade To Black 05.02.2006 17:08 If your that strapped for cash you shoulden't be wasting your money on video games in the first place. Unregistered - kyseec 05.02.2006 17:16 so your saying that he should be will to shell out $1100 for both lol Trickedbullet 05.02.2006 18:04 I just hope Sony fails miserably. How much money does the average Japanese civilian make in Japan? I was lead to believe that money is very tight in the overpopulated country of Japan. Is it just me, or is the ps3 just amazingly ugly? Compared to the Ps1, ps2, xbox, xbox 360, pcs, and even nintendo sysems, as well as dreamcast? Unregistered - t5e 05.02.2006 19:33 uglier than xbox?@!@ WTF is wrong with u ! xbox 1 was the ugliest system ive seen im my life!!. even an old huge gameboys lookd better than that. Unregistered - dubb 05.02.2006 19:52 consumers benefit from the next gen console war. It'll mean both companies will strive to provide better cheaper consoles and more innovative games. I hope PS3 gives 360 a run for its money and vice versa. I hope the wii is revolutionary. fanboys are dumb. Unregistered - PS Wii 05.02.2006 20:30 f*ckin fony f@ggs PS3 looks like, the way Wii sounds.....retarded! you fony f@gboys and your f@ggit ass controllers Unregistered - haha 05.02.2006 20:39 did any of you read the analyst prediction about microsoft and sony??? Yes, Sony will be bought by microsoft, and there isnt sh1t they can do about it....Sony will be losing sooo much money on every ps3 sale (over 500 per system) that their market value will go plumeting, which they arent expected to recover fully from untill 2009. Microsoft is gonna shove their hugh powerful D1ck up Sony's @ss. Unregistered - p h fat 05.02.2006 21:41 just wanted to point out that this is IBM the co-developers of sonys cell chip saying that sony are full of poo. it is proven 360 is easier to program for and that the 360 gpu is better. 360 and pc are easy to convert so thats a bigger user base. 360 will always be cheaper and oblivion proved the next gen discs are not needed (unless you want 8 hours of cut scenes and high def deveoper video extras) xboxlive will stay 1 step ahead as sony is copying microsoft and 360 will have second generation games when sony has first gen games. if ps3 ever gets to the $200 mark i will get one for the few exclusives it has. and if the previews of ff12 and ff7 part 2 are anything to go by the best rpgs will be on 360... such as blue dragon, lost odyssey, oblivion and elveon. remember the creator of final fantasy, residentevil and street fighter and rez work for microsoft now developing first part games, there will also be fable 2 and alot of others, it seems to be if you want new games and new ip get a 360... if you want follow ups and lies get a pos3 i thank you. Unregistered - player1 05.02.2006 23:33 ps3 wont launch in november and if and when it lauches later, it will have a different exterior design to match the redesigned controller. Unregistered - DISCIPLE 05.02.2006 23:38 WHAT IS A GFLOP AND WHAT THA HELL DOES IT DO? Smokey 05.03.2006 02:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gflops Unregistered - ewr 05.03.2006 02:43 First off, if the efficiency of a Unified Architecture is the be all of gaming, why is the current offerings from Nvidia (on the PC side) still competitive with the current offerings of ATI? It is because there are other things that can be made efficient or optimized in a GPU that doesn't require a total re-engineering. It cost alot of money to build a new GPU. There is Evidence in this fact when comparing Nvidia based graphic Cards to ATI based graphic cards on a PC - Nvidia is a better value for the money. The performance gained from the unified architecture, as of now, does not justify the cost that ATI id charging us consumers. Is a Unified architecture the future? Yes, even Nvidia said it was. However, Nvidia has mention numerous times that there is alot of Life left in the Traditional way a GPU is design. They have repeatedly said they are persuing other areas of optimization that will improve the Current Design of their GPUs with out the extra cost of a redesign. Will ATI eventually get ahead because they Leaped first. Maybe. It's a big risk to enter the market first. I firmly believe that Nvidia already has a Unified Architecture under raps. But why bring it out when your current GPUs are still competitive? You don't! - you continually improve upon it. There is no pressure in rushing it out right now - even if the ATI's UA is more efficient it's still not powerful enough to pull ahead as a dominate force in gaming. ATI rushed their new GPU architecture. It wasn't until the 1900 series cards that ATI started seeing performance gains above the Nvidia Cards and it wasn't a Leap but a small bump in perforance. A Pc equiped with a 1900 series card will out perform an Xbox 360 GPU hands down all you have to do is compare Oblivion Game on both platforms. Rumors suggest that the RSX is basically an optimised Nvidia 7900 series GPU. If that's the case, it should compare favorably to to the current GPUs in Power and Speed that are offered by Nvidia and ATI on a PC today. Xbox 360 can't claim any such thing because it is not as powerful as the cards offered by ATI today. However, in defense of Xbox 360 fans neither can PS3. That is only because we have not seen a real world performance of a PS3 and we won't until launch date and after. Hopefully at E3 we can get some real specs on the PS3 and see some real-time game play. If the PS3 proves its potential at E3, then I doubt we will see too many Xbots on this forum. (Yea!) Remember that all the PS3 has to do is at least equal the Xbox 360 WOWness. Why? Because Even though its E3, there is still at least Six months of optimizing the software but I feel we won't be disappointed. Most Game Plubishers were expecting a Spring Release and so we should see some games with some decent graphics/physic demonstrations. Some PS3 fan correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the optimised compiler for the PS3, IBM's Octopiler, not even released yet. Last I heard IBM wasn't going to ship it till July. Point is that even at E3, Spectacular or not, the games are still just a playable demo with work yet to be done on the games. Actually if you think about it, E3 is going to be tough for Sony. A really polished playable demo may give people the impression that it is a finished product especially if the demo is similar in quality to a Xbox 360 graphically. Being similar in Quality to Xbox 360 is nothing to be ashamed about but Sony needs a WOW factor to succeed. It's going to be tough to convince consumers that this Xbox quality game is going to look and run better in six months. However, and little less polish game but playable is easier to convince people that Hey there's room for improvement but of course we won't hear the end of it from Xbots. Its my opinion, Sony needs at least 2 Game playable game demos that literally put the Xbox 360 to Shame at E3 and demonstrate that their is still room for improvement for all the games that are only at or below Xbox 360. I know of only one game that is gaurenteed to be above Xbox 360 in terms of performance and that's MGS4. There is alot of potentials though. Unreal Tournament 2007 comes to mind. People don't understand that Unreal Tournament is Epics baby. It is the standard that all their games are based on. For Unreal Tournament to suck would be like Epic cutting their throats. It's all branding. If Gears of War or any other game title failed that utilize the UT Game engine it wouldn't really matter to Epic as long as UT 2007 was awesome. I don't expect it will suck and I not sure if we will see a playable version at E3. What do PS3 fans think? What will be that second Killer App that will pounce the Xbox 360 (maybe Warhawk) and carry all the other games at E3 that will seem similar in comparison to Xbox 360 - any suggestions? Unregistered - Capt CHAOS 05.03.2006 03:16 GFLOP is a Ginarmous Flop, used to meassure the likely market share of PS3. LOL Seriously though, Good luck to the PS3, it'd be a bad market totally owned by MS. Unregistered - My thoughts 05.03.2006 03:44 It really dont matter about which system is better or now or how much power a system has over the other..it comes down what the developers do with the power or the lack there of. I stated this in another post but imma say it again. The N64 was more powerful than the ps1. Yet the ps1 sold more systems, why. Because it had more games, and some really cool ones, sports included. The original xbox was more powerful than the ps2, yet the ps2 was infact the console of choice, why? The games. When I had my ps2, I never said to myself, damn, you know self the original xbox is so powerful I dont want the fun games I have on my ps2 with lower specs, and clock speeds etc. I just enjoyed it for what it was, and I still do. Why? I have some great games that I really enjoy. Most games I have and love, are also on the original xbox as well as ps2. Now, that I have my xbox 360, Im not playin it sayin, wow know i have faster gpu better graphic card and pixel shaders, nah thats all bs. Im enjoyin the system for what it is. I said all that to say this, when i get my ps3 I wont care if the 360 had higher specs, clock speeds or is easy to develope than the ps3. Imma be thinkin damn...this game sure is fun and enjoyin the damn system. Games are what make or break a system. More power equals nothin, if you look at history most times the system with the weaker specs sold the most. Why you ask? the games people the games. Even with all the framerate issues and other flaws with the ps2 games, they were still fun. So will these new one's be. Now that's what I had to say....I hope you dont start actin like asses and shootin at me for statin facts. Peace..... Unregistered - 007 05.03.2006 04:39 So what you are saying is ,that every system that comes out is better than PS's,it's just the lies and hype that wins over all the dev's.Well not this time around,the dev's are getting smart 360 is king of the future. Unregistered - Fade To Black 05.03.2006 09:14 By the way the N64 kicked ass and was probably nintendos best machine overall to date. And the PS1 was supposed to be a nintendo / sony ptoduct before sony facked then without lube. Which is why Microsoft will own nintendo whne the Wii takes them down the toilette. Unregistered - me 05.04.2006 10:46 whats wrong with ps fanboys is up until xbox came along sony have never had any real competition. i remember when i got my first xbox about 4 yrs ago a few of my mates who owned the ps2 where like the xbox will go the way of the dreamcast (and i loved my dreamcast :( . but look at it this way u dont see the ps fans flamming the nintendo fans and thats because nintendo aint as big of a threat than microsoft and its coz they know microsoft wont go down without a fight i have alot of faith in microsoft and i have alot of respect for bill gates (even though his os have some flaws) coz hes brought a product into my living room that has given me hours of gaming pleasure. i respect sony and nintendo also but the xbox 360 was my choice coz ive had a very good experience with my original xbox and ive not had any probs with my 360. this time round the xbox is better prepared than in last gen Add Comment |
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