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13 Oct 2005 18:11 | KhanMan | Systems | Xbox 360 | Playstation 3 Xbox360News.com | Link to this article 
An article posted at PS3focus.com is stating that because of huge development costs to create games for the PS3, some game developers will likely come to Microsoft's camp. As PS3focus.com reports, support for Kutaragi’s upcoming child is waning. An insider source who spoke to Japanese site ZakZak had this to say: Kutaragi has said, ‘Please develop suitable software for PS3 - this software must not be of the same standard as PS2 software.’ Developing software for the PS3 from scratch will require an initial investment of at least 2 billion yen [US $17.6 million] [not including development costs]. There are not many software companies that can easily afford that kind of money.We know Microsoft has been boasting the ease of development on its upcoming console, and this may very well persuade some developers into making the must-own games Xbox 360-exclusive Add Comment  1 -
SillyNewbie 10.13.2005 22:40 AHHAHA! Karma! Thats what you get for trying to have the best... PS3 sucks ne way TCHBO! 2 -
Unregistered - scorp 10.13.2005 22:43 i hope ps3 dies a horrible death 3 -
Unregistered - Sam 10.13.2005 22:47 That is the only sight that has said that,no one has confirmed it so its more than likely something Microsoft started. That and most final dev kits havent even gone out yet and has alot of the tools on them so they really dont know how hard or not it will be. who ever made this up is just hoping it will hurt Sony. I smell a rat and its name is probably Gates. 4 -
Unregistered - CAPITAL OUTLAW 10.13.2005 22:57 WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. WHAT DOES A DEV KIT HAVE TO DO WITH HOW EXPENSIVE THE DEVELOPMENT SOFTWARE IS? TTTTHHHHHAAAAAAATTTTTTTTSSSSSSS RIGHT, YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE WHOLE MIDDLE GROUND WHERE YOUR AN IDIOT!!! 5 -
WTFTheBlob 10.13.2005 23:04 hey man dont be like that, just cause a rumor comes out that says something bad about the ps3 or Xbox 360 your all like no thats not true it cant be true cause im always right. Well it is possible for this comment to be wrong it is true that the 360 is much easier and cheaper to develop for now we all dont know if the ps3 is extremly hard to develope for but they are losing support for their system but not a really high amount of support mostly just bugget titles and smaller developers. Now both the Sony corp and Microsoft have been hiding some truths from the general public, example Nintendo had actually sold more hardware and software than microsoft and sony's systems combined but much of the gaming media is dening that. Much of the gaming world is paid to make Sony and Microsoft look good and much of the gaming world is paid to make the others look bad but just cause something that you dont like is said doesnt mean it cant be true, got it. Now just wait for sony's word on this matter although they will most likely deny this matter or make it look good in their favor so wait for the developers word in this matter cause it would be the right one. 6 -
comment 5Unregistered - tom 10.13.2005 23:11 i agree with you...sony blows, not sony corp. because i like other products from them, but the playstation just isn't one of them. 7 -
#5Unregistered - Zero-0 10.13.2005 23:27 Link? You can't just say stuff like that without any proof. 8 -
just like in lifeUnregistered - it is probably true 10.13.2005 23:31 Money talks; b.s walks. And M$ has tons of money. If M$ eats some of the cost for developers to develope on the 360 and also having the more developer friendly console, sony is in for a slow death. Last time, M$ got off to a slow start, EA and Rockstar was in bed with sony and this spelled doom for M$. In fact, M$ is the only company who could compete with sony in the gaming console arena. If it were not for the culturally loyal asian gamers in asia, M$ wouldn't have such a hard go of it. As it stands, sony could come out with Frogger 8 and it would out sell M$ best 360 game, because sony is an established bran in japan, M$ can hang it up in japan. In fact, for launch, M$ should ship to those who are loyal to them and those who appreciate their product...send japan's allotment of 360's to north america and europe, screw japan! Too bad American gamers aren't as loyal as japanese gamers in japan. Personally, I won't buy sony's console no matter what they release for it. I live in and support America! 9 -
Unregistered - XBox gamer 10.13.2005 23:43 I like both systems and I think this is a bunch of bull Sh*t someone was paid to put online,Sony has alot of developers making games and non have come forward stating they couldnt afford it. 10 -
Microsoft probably did make this crap upUnregistered - PS3 will rule! 10.13.2005 23:47 Sounds like a bunch of Microsoft lies. Since they lied about Blu-ray because its keeping 360 from sending Blu-ray movies from PC to 360, which is how 360 was to compete with Ps3 in High DEF movie playback. Lets wait to here from a REAL developer or SONY before we believe this junk. 11 -
Unregistered - hobo 10.13.2005 23:56 Ha, why don't you check the link before saying somebody is lying. 12 -
HmmmUnregistered - Exodus 10.14.2005 00:19 It's amazing how a Microsoft employee would post articles agaisnt the PS3 on a site for PS3. Think about it PS3 fanboys...its a site for PS3. Also i dont think a legit website would post false interveiws seeing as how that illegal to write quotes from someone that arent true. I swear you guys come up with ANYTHING to support the PS3 even when there is proof right in front of your face. 13 -
Unregistered - PS3Player 10.14.2005 01:23 To the last post, what are you talking about, Foxnews, CNN, all these major network news, some of them are loyal to the President but not always what they say about him is true. If this article is true why haven't any developpers come forth and say so. Get real man, now you can say that it's because i 'm A Sony fan that's why i say that. but really what proof have you gotten, the only time i believe something is when someone working for Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo says so, otherwise the rest is crap. Now you want Sony to fail of course you will believe that piece of crap, and besides this should only concern Sony and Sonyfan, why the hell is that article doing on a 360 site, my gues is that the guys at Microsoft is feeding you crap, why don't they also post that the PS3 has 102 games being developped in Japan alone, no wayyyyyyy they won't post that because their mindset is to buy you people into thinking that Sony will fail, so please Microsoft try again, this will only work with the 360 fools. And you 360 fans stop wasting your breath about the PS3. 14 -
Conspiracy Theory?????.....LOLUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.14.2005 01:34 Damm why is it that everytime Sony has negative press, PS3 fans blame M$....come on you guys can't be serious? Don't act like robots and say the same thing over and over again. Personally I favor M$, and in my opinion it will be better than PS3, but I'm glad that there is another console to compete with because we all get a better product when theres competition. Its almost certain that PS3 will cost more to develop for compared to the 360, maybe a little more or maybe alot more, but regardless of that Sony will still have plenty of developers based simply on their history, so I don't know what you PS3 fans are so worried about. Also I think it is worth noting that the article is posted on a PS3 site, including the name of the person who the quote came from, M$ would have to be very stupid to risk a lawsuit and public embarrassment just to make Sony look bad....so just get a grip and stop making all these wild accusations and come up with these stoooopid "Conspiracy Theories" to make yourself feel better.....excuses are for the weak! 15 -
Unregistered - hbo 10.14.2005 01:36 Bananaphone afraids of competition. 16 -
#14Unregistered - GAMEFACE 10.14.2005 01:49 This is a correction from my earlier statement, they did not list the name who they quoted, they only listed the name of ther translator...my bad, but my point is still valid. 17 -
PS3 player has only scratched the surfaceUnregistered - Informant 10.14.2005 01:59 I can not tell you who I am, only that I work for the American government. Pay close attention to what I am about to say. The US government with the help of MS, is planning on global domination. There plan is to put an Xbox 360 into every home, world wide. They have subliminal messages programmed into the dashboard that will brainwash the citizens of other countries to overthrow their governments. One thing stands in their way; SONY. Therefore, MS did start this false rumor to ruin SONY and propel Xbox 360 sales to an astronomical level to ensure world domination. By the way PS3 player is a complete dumbass and needs to up his dosage. His conspiracies are getting out of hand. Next week he'll proclaim that MS is secretly behind area 51 where they created a clone of Ken Kutaragi and programmed the clone to make piss poor business decisions 18 -
LOLUnregistered - Dan 10.14.2005 02:13 #17 ROFLMAO thats a great post 19 -
# 17Unregistered - meoow 10.14.2005 05:23 i too agree that is funny as hell. 20 -
Unregistered - joe 10.14.2005 07:46 sony are fecked PS3 is going down this time around wahoooo let the guys who said 360 is guna lose out cos of the graphics power this shows that graphics isnt everthing suck on this you bunch of losers who said that 21 -
PS3 = 3SPUnregistered - Anonymity Rulez 10.14.2005 07:50 3 Shades of Poo. 22 -
JsonHenry 10.14.2005 07:54 How is it that people are saying this is a lie or rumor? The industry players are the ones saying that they don't want to developer for the PS3 due to an outrageous R&D budget and time needed to make suitable software. I mean, Ken himself told you how much it would cost, and was basically begging the developers to make stuff for their console. I think you guys should read the link before doubting how true this is. My question is, how is Sony going to cope with this problem, because I know they will not sit back and watch all their big name titles dissapear. 23 -
Stop saying the PS3 has better graphicsUnregistered - 360player 10.14.2005 07:55 Again, we have people saying the PS3 is going to have better graphics, there's no proof of that yet but still some people think it, let's wait until Sony actually shows some real in-game footage (apart from Gundam, and sorry kiddies but MGS4 wasn't either)) that clearly shows a difference, until then let's not make any concessions to PS3.........o.k? And PS3player.........we meet again, and yes, you're still a moron and yes, your mother is still calling me - tell her to stop 24 -
That's old newsUnregistered - Zipperdog 10.14.2005 07:59 How many times are these websites gonna post that qoute? 25 -
Unregistered - joe 10.14.2005 08:54 whats that ps3 player taking about hes looking to much into it accept it you fool PS3 is losing out you fool dont bite off more then you can chew do you just sit at home and come up with farfetched ideas like this jus accept it PS3 is goin down 26 -
Unregistered - Bukk 10.14.2005 09:27 lol... haha... my friends think ps3 is gonna be better. Every single time they say that I laugh, yet feel like kicking them in the head at the same time... I want to see that midget man who held up the ps3 cry because no one wants to make game for ps3. Haha that would be so freakin' awesome. 27 -
joedaki 10.14.2005 10:05 hey does anyone know how much the PS3 will be 28 -
joedaki 10.14.2005 10:05 will it be huge 29 -
legend killer XBOX 360Unregistered - doom 10.14.2005 10:21 the legend of ps3 dies on novemeber 22,2005 at no-mercy. BY YOU TICKETS NOW TO WITNESS THE MOST UNFORGETABLE DEFEAT. Im mean by xbox360 30 -
Unregistered - 10.14.2005 10:45 If you haven’t pre-ordered your XBox 360 by now, you probably won’t be getting your hands on that shiny white box by this holiday season — at least, if you want one from Amazon. Amazon U.S. has stopped taking pre-orders altogether, while Amazon UK and Amazon Germany posted this warning up on the product page: We have been informed that the Xbox 360 will be in short supply on the day of release, and, unfortunately, this means we can’t guarantee that pre-orders will be delivered by day of release. We are working with our suppliers to ensure that we fulfil all orders as soon as possible, and will ship the consoles as soon as we receive them. 31 -
#30Unregistered - BulletTheory 10.14.2005 10:51 MS should just give them (and other UK and US companies under strain) extra units from what they plan to release in Japan. The 360 won't be big or anything special in Japan, everyone there is hypeed about the rev and PS3. I'll be really annoyed when I see pics of 360s not sold in Japanese stores while I and other people are having to wait ages to get one even though we pre-ordered. 32 -
PS3=PSlast conzerorespect 10.14.2005 11:33 The next sega dream cast will be released in spring next year. Sony is gonna lose so much money that they dare not make a console again. HA HA HA!!! 33 -
PS3=PSlast zerorespect 10.14.2005 11:33 The next sega dream cast will be released in spring next year. Sony is gonna lose so much money that they dare not make a console again. HA HA HA!!! 34 -
calm downUnregistered - Joe Momma 10.14.2005 12:00 Calm down with all that bull sh*t about how xbox 360 will be in short supply in america thats heaping pile of lies bill wouldnt be stupid enough to not ship enough to america the only thing that article says is amazon us stopped taking pre orders an the reason they did that is because a whole hell of alot of people pre orderd them an there gonna have a rough time delivering all of them in a timely manner an that quote that is posted is from the uk amazon not the amercan one so all of you xbox addicts can calm down lol best bet is to just go to a store an pre order it f*ck online. 35 -
Unregistered - BillyBob 10.14.2005 12:18 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 36 -
Game Junkie 10.14.2005 17:05 Can you believe that the 360 will be released next month? Even with that being said time is moving to slowly. 37 -
My brother works for...Unregistered - David Getz 10.14.2005 18:03 My brother is on the design team for a certain game involving a certain type of "Ghost". It is readily admitted within the corporate walls that developement has always been easier for the XBOX, especially the online features. However, to survive you had to make the games for the PS2 because of the sheer number of consoles sold meant you would sell more games on that system no matter what. That issue has been nuked by the near stealth release of the 360. The real losers are the companies who couldn't change course in time (i.e. my local EB Games only has one Halflife 2 on preorder). I for one hope PS3 has a good launch. Competition is good to have around...to crush. Take us there Bill. 38 -
My brother works for...Unregistered - David Getz 10.14.2005 18:05 My brother is on the design team for a certain game involving a certain type of "Ghost". It is readily admitted within the corporate walls that developement has always been easier for the XBOX, especially the online features. However, to survive you had to make the games for the PS2 because of the sheer number of consoles sold meant you would sell more games on that system no matter what. That issue has been nuked by the near stealth release of the 360. The real losers are the companies who couldn't change course in time (i.e. my local EB Games only has one Halflife 2 on preorder). I for one hope PS3 has a good launch. Competition is good to have around...to crush. Take us there Bill. 39 -
Unregistered - KAMAKAZY 10.14.2005 18:19 this is what happens when sony tries to take there fanboys for granted 40 -
inside corporate walls...Gorlag 10.15.2005 10:22 My brother is on the developement team for a game involving a certain type of "Ghost". It is well established within the corporate walls that the XBOX is easier to develope for than the Playstation, especially in regards to the online features. However, developers have always had to include or even focus on the PS system because of the sheer number of consoles sold by Sony. For many companies survival means success on the PS plateform is a necessity. But now with the near stealth bomb drop of the 360 months before the PS3, Microsoft has likely eliminated this issue. The loosers are the ones who couldn't adjust to the change (i.e. my local EB games only has one Halflife 2 game on preorder)I for one hope the PS3 has a good launch. Competition is good...for crushing. Take us there Bill. 41 -
Unregistered - 360 and PS3 fan 10.15.2005 11:16 There are some in here that question whether Microsoft would start rumors and lies about the PS3. Well lets think back very shortly into the past few weeks. Heres some Quotes. "Gates's efforts to derail Stringer's plans soon became public, though. On Sept. 27, Microsoft and Intel (INTC ) fired a broadside at Sony, suggesting publicly the company's Blu-ray technology couldn't deliver what it promised, and they pledged their support for a rival technology from Toshiba (TOSBF )." (microsoft told that lie) "Dell (DELL ) and Hewlett-Packard (HPQ ) took the highly unusual step of issuing a joint statement denouncing the move by Microsoft and Intel, the PC makers' two most important suppliers. "Desperation" is the way Brian Zucker, a technology strategist at Dell, characterized Microsoft's move." "Microsoft's criticism is that Blu-ray disks will be more expensive to manufacture and may be impossible to make in large volumes. Yet the technology's supporters are convinced costs will be similar over the long term. "We don't see any big cost difference, and we know a thing or two about volume manufacturing," says Michael Dell, chairman of PC giant Dell. (More lies M$ told, ,when they dont know anything about it) But Why would they lie well read on.... "In May (last year), Sony confirmed that it would include Blu-ray in the new PlayStation game console beginning next year. Microsoft's Xbox wouldn't have such capability." "In July, Sony decided to refine the Blu-ray standard in a way that would have far-reaching implications for Microsoft. Sony wanted to win the support of Twentieth Century Fox Film Studios, long Hollywood's leading advocate for tough anti-piracy measures. So Sony agreed to add safeguards developed for Fox by San Francisco's Cryptography Research, which could prevent Blu-ray movies from being ripped to a computer's hard drive." "The move was a serious blow for Microsoft's Xbox. The company had decided to hold down costs by not including a next-generation DVD player in the game console. Instead, it planned to stream high-definition content from a PC sitting in one room to the console, which would be attached to a television. But Cryptography's safeguards meant studios could block their content from being taken off the DVD. That was the reason for Gates's exchange with Stringer at the conference. Gates wanted Sony to drop such technology, but Stringer wouldn't budge." " Once warner started to waver, Paramount Pictures decided to move first in order to negotiate better terms, according to Hollywood insiders. On Sept. 23 one Blu-ray insider saw preliminary contracts written up by Warner Bros. and Paramount to join the Blu-ray board. "It was all going to happen in a day or two," says the source." (this is where you should understand That Mircosoft would lie and did lie about Blu-ray and more importantly the PS3) "Leaked to Microsoft, the news put the company in crisis mode. Execs began working the phones, lobbying retailers about the potential for mass consumer confusion if competing standards came to market. Concerned, CEO H. Lee Scott of Wal-Mart Stores (WMT ). personally telephoned Stringer and Walt Disney CEO Robert Iger, two Hollywood sources say. Finally, Microsoft issued its joint statement with Intel. Microsoft declined any additional comment for this article." (Sounds like a panicked Microsoft decided to look even more desparate. I bet Bill gates cries like a baby and throws tantrums, but heres the rest) "The public attack may have backfired. One day after Microsoft talked up the importance of Toshiba's ability to hit the market first with its standard, Toshiba announced it would delay rolling out its own HD DVD players until after the holidays. Sony's Blu-ray-equipped PlayStations are scheduled to go on sale early next year, too. The same day, Yoshihide Fujii, Toshiba's corporate senior vice-president for digital media products, said the company remained open to creating a single format." So as we see, they lie alot when they think someone may beat them. So that must mean they have faith in the PS3 being better so they will do what they can to make it look worse to us. November 22nd is quickly approaching and I am sure we can expect more real news from the PS3 camp right around that time. Now that being said, I have a 360 in pre order and will pick it up on launch day. I am a gamer no matter what the console. But I dont like lies about either companies. This SAME article has been out for a while before it got here and I have read it several times and no real company has come forward to say its true. Oh and the reason so many are pledging support for 360 is because its getting so close to the release, same reason why they are showing so much real game play, But the Ps3 is still about 6 to 7 months from hitting anywhere, so theres plenty of time for footage to start appearing. Quit saying stupid things like 360 is better and crap when you dont really know that to be true, you just hope it or want it to be true. Hey, be glad your getting a choice of two awesome machines. Dont for once think you would be getting so much from either if the other didnt exist. Hey look at Nintendo, they dont care about or plan on taking on Sony or Microsoft and so they are not putting much into the revolution. It will still be a kiddie console. Well theres the facts, take um or leave um. I dont care. 42 -
Here the website that info came from.Unregistered - 360 and PS3 fan 10.15.2005 11:22 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm 43 -
Unregistered - ZeRo 10.15.2005 11:46 kk ps3 peep peace of peep koeta ding 44 -
# 41-NOT SO FASTUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.15.2005 19:57 First of all I have read alot of tech magazines over the past year that have nothing to do with XBOX 360 or PS3, M$ or Sony, and I can tell you that there are many articles about HD DVD and Blu-Ray format, so there HAS been alot of INDEPENDENT early research that said Blu-Ray format would be very exspensive compared to HD DVD, however to be fair there is alot of conflicting info. including some INDEPENDENT recent info. that says it will be about the same.....my point is M$ is not "lying" (as you say) when they publicly oppose the "Blu-Ray" format, in fact its "business 101" to support different technology other than that of your competition. (smart really) I think YOUR OWN POST is further PROOF that M$ didn't make up the story about PS3 losing support, heres why: The above article that you keep referring to names "Microsoft" as the source of those statements.... one part even says "Microsoft issued a public statement", so once again the "Conspiracy Thoery" that M$ created this story is not logical, since the article YOU CHOSE to demonstrate that specific point, actually confirms the fact that M$ IS the source of the article you are referring to, which means if they want to release negative info. about PS3 they have the balls to go on the record. So you just can't have it both ways....BTW we appreciate your comments after each paragraph, (very helpful) now despite our disagreement Im sure you will enjoy your XBOX 360! 45 -
Unregistered - Hurry 360 Hurry 10.15.2005 20:08 I'll sure be enjoying mine 46 -
Unregistered - PS3 gamer 10.15.2005 23:01 Not so fast! From the above article and from several things I have read,Microsoft could have researched whether Blu-ray was really done or expensive, which they claimed it was not done and that its expensive, Why didnt they discuss it with Dell and HP to find out the truth, We all know they have a relationship. But they didnt research, Blu-ray made them mad and they just LIED. Dell said right there thats it isnt expensive and since they have been working with it so long they should know. Panasonic has also said it has created technology that has lowered the cost to about the same as current dvd. Microsoft just ran with what they thought would hurt Blu-ray since they werent catering to them. It may be "smart" as you say to go against your rival, but stupid to tick off the companies that make your business possible. Microsoft better hope no one ever makes a OS that can compete with windows in PC's. And since Microsoft took such a hit for lying like they did then I am sure they would go behind the scenes to make this up as well.Dont put much trust in Microsoft, they were built on one friend named Gates double crossing another friend that created the program that started it all called DOS. Gates is a snake, and cant be trusted with anything. And if I was the guy he yelled at that worked on Blu-ray in that article, he'd have been picking himself up off the floor in pieces. 47 -
#46 PS3 GamerUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.16.2005 05:25 Once again you have overlooked the facts, as I stated before there is alot of credible research from INDEPENDENT sources (that means those who have nothing to gain, unlike M$, Sony, Dell, HP and etc.) that says Blu-Ray will be more exspensive but hey you don't have to take my word for it, just go to google and do a search,it took me about 5 seconds to find this from engadget.com: www.engadget.com/entry/1234000623059130(full article) ////So here’s the technical nitty gritty before we drop the graphs n’ charts on ya. Both systems use the same kind of 405nm wavelength blue-violet laser, but their optics differ in two ways. Since the Blu-ray disc has a tighter track pitch (the single thread of data that spirals from the inside of the disc all the way out—think grooves on a 12-inch vinyl single vs. an Elvis Costello full-length album), it can hold more pits (those microscopic 0s and 1s) on the same size disc as HD DVD even with a laser of the same wavelength. The differing track pitch of the Blu-ray disc makes its pickup apertures differ, however—0.65 for HD DVD vs. 0.85 for Blu-ray—thus also making the two pickups technically incompatible despite using lasers of the same type. HD DVD discs also have a different surface layer (the clear plastic layer on the surface of the data—what you get fingerprints and scratches on) from Blu-ray discs. HD DVD use a 0.6 mm-thick surface layer, the same as DVD, while Blu-ray has a much smaller 0.1mm layer to help enable the laser to focus with that 0.85 aperture. Herein lies the issues associated with the higher cost of Blu-ray discs. This thinner surface layer is what makes the discs cost more; because Blu-ray discs do not share the same surface layer thickness of DVDs, costly production facilities must be modified or replaced in order to produce the discs. A special hard coating must also be applied to Blu-ray discs, so their surface is sufficiently resilient enough to protect the data a mere 0.1mm beneath—this also drives the cost up. The added benefit of keeping the data layer closer to the surface, however, is more room for extra layers.///// This is just one of many articles from independent tech sources who have said Blu-Ray is more exspensive. Next you say M$ should have asked Dell and HP to find out the truth....WHY?, if they are supporting Blu-Ray of course they will say its not exspensive, but even in your first post #41 they say "We don't see a BIG cost difference" which in lamens terms means that it is indeed more exspensive...now who knows what in their minds equals a "big cost difference." For alot of people who buy DVD's regularly, even 5 bucks can add up to a whole lot of difference in a year or so. Once again your own post is contradictory to the your idea that M$ made up this story and LIED(as you say) about Blu-Ray being exspensive, when in fact there is plenty of INDEPENDENT research that say the same thing and still you seem to be obsessed with the idea that M$ LIED....NO WAIT A MINUTE!...yeah they did lie and they paid off all of the tech sites, all the tech magazines, and even Dell and HP(who BTW support Blu-Ray, but stated "We don't see a "BIG" cost difference-which basicly screams "more exspensive")to say the same thing they said....OK if you don't get my point by now, I guess there no hope for you....just remember this: ALL the company's who support Blu-Ray are in favor of this format because they have alot to gain-Blu-Ray will be encrypted so you can't copy them, therefore they won't lose money, however ALL the company's who support HD DVD believe that a lower cost + versatility will drive higher sales, which means even though they will lose some money from piracy, theres still a large profit margin from higher sales. Now since the picture quality is basicly identical, I think the consumer would prefer the cheaper option...I know I do, BTW I trust know one, I just state the facts and maybe you PS3 GAMER should follow your own advice when it comes to your obvious blind loyalty to Sony....I can still hear you ranting "Its all Ms fault", "Bill Gate's is the Devil", "XBOX 360 uses mind control", "J Allard is really a Alien" and on and on....."SSSSSMACK!!!" not get a hold of yourself son! 48 -
Unregistered - Ps3 and 360 gamer 10.16.2005 11:39 I know a few things about Blu-ray and how it works is one of them, I also know that originally it was exspensive to create or more so than current dvd, but alot has taken place since then. Dont think you can come in here and quote a website that tells you how it works and say "see, its more exspensive and know what your talking about. Alot of Blu-ray companies have been working on the technology and have drastically reduced its cost to about the same as current dvd, there is much more support for Blu-ray than hd-dvd. Just read around a little and youll find out what I am talking about, or I could point them out, Whatever. oh and that article is still going by what was said a while ago about it being more expensive, but since then alot has changed. As I said earlier, Panasonic has reduced it even more than it was with technology they created and you can expect it to continue to get cheaper and easier to produce as the companies work on it. My point was that Microsoft LIED and they did, even Dell and HP said so as well as other companies and articles. And it backfired on them. So I wouldnt put it past them to make up anything that would benefit them. Oh and you saying "however ALL the company's who support HD DVD believe that a lower cost + versatility will drive higher sales," There arent many companies in all those. Heres a rough idea of the support behind the 2 formats. HD-DVD support- Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Warner Bros, New Line and Universal. Warner Bros (includes New Line since Warner owns them) and Paramount both are now supporting Blu-ray and Universal Pictures is said will be following them. Blu-ray on the other hand has support from: Paramount and Warner Bros including New Line (new supporters with Universal said to follow), Sony Pictures, MGM, Columbia Pictures, Tri star Pictures, United Artist, Orion Pictures, Screen Gems, Triumph Films, Hollywood Pictures Home Video, Touchstone Home Entertainment, Miramax Home Entertainment, Dimension Home Video, Buena Vista Motion Pictues, Walt Disney Pictures, Walt Disney Television, Lions Gate Films and Artisan Entertainment, and Twentieth Century Fox. Sony also distributes films for Destinantion Films and Revolution Studios. Now Electronic companies supporting blu-ray includes Apple, Dell, Mitsubishi, Thompson, CyberLink, Hitachi, Hewlett Packard, JVC, LG, Nero, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, Sonic, Sony, TDK, Yamaha and Verbatim and there are others that are all FULLY supporting Blu-ray. Also Universal Music group is supporting Blu-ray. Universal is the worlds leading music Company and I am sure Sony music and Columia records will also support them since Sony owns both. Also alot of movie studios that I named that you probably havent read about are owned by Bigger Names like Disney and Sony so they are included in Blu-rays support under those names, I just named them cause there big studios themselves that make quite a few movies. If you are wanting Hd-dvd to win, your in for a let down. Blu-ray will be the next format, And alot are saying Hd-dvd will never even make it out. Wait for Universal to switch and alot will change, and they will or are, we just have to wait for their announcment. Blu-ray is only the Beginning. 49 -
Unregistered - game fan 10.16.2005 15:53 Seems I cant spell Expensive either, stinking "s" got in the way twice. 50 -
Unregistered - sonofa 10.16.2005 17:53 Whats is this p.s three? 51 -
Talking Crazy PS3 GamerUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.16.2005 23:59 Hey normally I would just ignore someone when they continue to disregard the facts even when given evidence in black and white, but since you insist on using irrevelant data to backup your claims, its just to easy to point out how crazy you sound. First off your original post(41) claims M$ LIED about Blu-Ray being more expensive(thanks for the correct spelling) but when I offered you proof that many INDEPENDENT SOURCES have said the same thing, including some Blu-Ray supporters also, which means that its not lying to say what some researchers have said is true, even in your own post(48) you say that "Panasonic has reduced it even more than it was and you can expect it to get cheaper" which means that its still more expensive than HD DVD if not they would have just said that its the same as HD DVD or they would have proudly said its cheaper....but they didn't say it that did they?.....and still M$ is LYING despite the overwhelming evidence. BTW the article I was refering to is a little less than a month old, and there are plenty other recent examples, so now you want us to believe everything has changed in the last month. Also please send us the e-mail link where we can find the statement from Dell, HP, or any Company that says as a matter of fact that M$ LIED, because everything that I have seen and even your own post(41)("We don't see a BIG cost difference") actually points to the conclusion that it IS more expensive, yeah maybe they will continue to make it cheaper and in the end both will be about the same but the fact is if they were to release it today, Blu-Ray format would cost more....and still M$ is LYING, yeah you keep saying it but you have offered us no proof other than as you say "Dell and HP said so", where? please send me the link, where they say that. Now you want to change the subject even before you have given any solid info. to backup your original claim. OK, so I guess by listing the companys who support Blu-Ray means that its the better format...uh, better for who?...yeah for those companys, but not for the consumer (unless you just don't like the idea of being able to burn DVD's, download them to your other peripherals, and etc. (no encryption= more versatile) thats why they have more support from entertainment industry, however there are still many companys supporting HD DVD other than what you listed and some of the companys you listed that support Blu-Ray are also supporting HD DVD too, but its really irrevelant, why because in the end the consumer will decide which format they want, and the other format will fade very quickly, like I stated before I for one would like HD DVD because I think it will be the best deal for the money, but its not like I'm really worried either way because if Blu-Ray is actually the winner I'd be more than happy to buy anything in HD as long as its worth it. Just try to stay on topic next time and prove one point before you make another....and still M$ LIED, and you were abducted by Aliens too, right? 52 -
Unregistered - some person 10.17.2005 03:45 jesus, u guys make the longest posts!! lol 53 -
omgUnregistered - micahel jackson 10.17.2005 20:34 is there going to be a l337 michael jackson game coming to the Xbox 360???? ZOMG I CANT WAIT ITS TO L337 FOR ME TO HANDLE. LALALLALLA. 54 -
Didnt realize what I was talking to. Unregistered - Gamer 10.17.2005 23:28 Your such an idiot heres the quate again from the article "Microsoft's criticism is that Blu-ray disks will be more expensive to manufacture and may be impossible to make in large volumes. Yet the technology's supporters are convinced costs will be similar over the long term. "We don't see any big cost difference, and we know a thing or two about volume manufacturing," says Michael Dell, chairman of PC giant Dell. (In other words MS lied) are you that stupid or does microsoft saying one thing and them saying "WE DONT SEE ANY BIG COST DIFFERENCE" not a lie. Oh and I am sure MS new that things had changed from when it was more expensive, but they chose to run with what made Blu-ray sound worse, and then they said Blu-ray didnt even have a 50 GB disc yet, and they knew darn good and well they do. In fact TDK has had a 100GB disc. ANOTHER LIE from MS. Dont be so blind. Sure Dell and HP didnt say staight out, YOU LIED. They just said it in other words, More nicely. I didnt think I had to back it up cause I didnt know you were so dense, Next time I will sound it out for you. 55 -
Unregistered - ??????? 10.18.2005 01:10 Please do sound it out next time. You damn sure can't spell and your grammer sucks. 56 -
# 54 PS3 GamerUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.18.2005 08:14 Wow! you are so slow its pathetic.....the line from your post when Micheal Dell is qouted as saying: "We dont see a BIG cost difference" means that he is actually saying that Blu-Ray is more expensive than HD DVD, the only thing we have to guess about from his statement is how much MORE is a BIG cost difference in his mind....therefore if Blu-Ray is in fact more expensive than HD DVD, how can M$ be LYING when they make that statement(along with many other sources, even RECENTLY). Since you are so slow, and don't know how to read between the lines, let me help you out...the point that Micheal Dell is actually trying to make in that statement is that M$ is trying to make everyone(consumers) believe that Blu-Ray is going to be alot more expensive than it really will be(compared to HD DVD) so in other words he was trying to say that yes it might be a little more expensive but not a whole lot. If you don't believe me ask anyone that has a few brain cells and know anything about how business works and they will tell you what that statement means....So sure we know that M$ made that statement because the average consumer will hear that and think..."Damm Blu-Ray is going to be TOO EXPENSIVE" thats a very old business tactic (trick) used in every business, but if I say its more expensive, which it is(HELLO!) its not a LIE, even if I'm trying to get you to believe its more expensive than it really is. Now you might be thinking "Just how the hell does he know for sure that it will cost more?" well thats easy because once again if you know anything at all about business then you would know that if your competitor made a false claim that your product is more expensive than his, then you would respond by saying that their statement is false(a LIE) and you would immediately say your product is cheaper than theirs is or that it costs the SAME as theirs does, theres no way a company would respond with its "ALMOST" the same or "We don't see a big cost difference" if thiers was in fact cheaper or exactly the same as their competitors. So my whole point I have been trying to make to you over and over again is that there is a "BIG" difference between telling a the consumer a LIE and providing negative information to the consumer to create an advantage (smart business) So the bottom line is your wrong, I know its hard for you to accept, but your wrong,(somehow I get the feeling you have that problem alot) so don't blame me for pointing it out, you shouldn't make accusations if you can't prove them, I know you are very slow but I can't spell it out for you anymore than I already have...hint: READ THIS 20 TIMES AND MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY 2+2=4, NO REALLY IT DOES...SSSSMACK!!!!.. SERIOUSLY IM NOT LYING IT DOES....uhhh NEVERMIND...YOU WILL NEVER GET IT. 57 -
Unregistered - More than you'll ever be. 10.18.2005 18:58 Yeah I think everyone gets it, your an idiot that is down playing what Microsoft says to make them look better than they are. Your hopeless and I have nothing to worry about, Blu-ray is beating the hell out of hd-dvd and Ps3 will beat the hell out of 360. Later idiot. Maybe you can understand that. 58 -
Unregistered - Sam 10.18.2005 19:04 maybe we should call #56 Bill Clinton, he seems to understand that kind of lie. lol...dont bother with this punk, some of us know how they are. 59 -
Still CryingUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.18.2005 22:50 Wan, Wan, Wan....Bill is cool as hell too! 60 -
#58 PS3 Gamer and friendsUnregistered - GAMEFACE 10.18.2005 23:14 Oh and yeah I understand what M$ is trying to do because I actually have more than one brain cell unlike you two PS3 fools, I guess Sony has never said anything negative about XBOX 360 to persuade consumers in their favor. It's a good thing you 2 idiots dont own a business, because telling the consumer how good your rival's stuff is, will send you to the poorhouse real fast. Hint: M$ is not stupid and neither is the consumer (except for you two idiots) learn something about business before you try to lecture people with you stupid comments. 61 -
Unregistered - hahahahahahahahah 10.19.2005 15:37 Thank for the advice Bill, You certainly know how to make a point, not. I never said anything about business, just that they lied, and they did and you just admitted it. I said this sounds like MS made it up, and basically you are saying if they did its a good business trick. I never said they made this up, I just said they would if need be. Thats the only point I was trying to make so thanks for making it more me. See ya loser. 62 -
Unregistered - hahahahahahahahaha 10.19.2005 15:39 Thanks for making it for me...lol (need to proof read and slow down the typing) 63 -
#61 PS3 Gamer Unregistered - GAMEFACE 10.19.2005 21:35 First of all I want to apologize to anyone who is wondering why I even bother responding to this idiot...He can't even make up his mind about what he said and didn't say, even though his last post contradicts his previous posts. Hey I'm not a rocket scientist or anything, but you have to be amazed at this guys level of stupidity.(its pathetic) First he said they lied when they said Blu-Ray is more expensive(which it is), now he says "it SOUNDS like M$ made it up"(even though I gave him INDEPENDENT RECENT research that says it is), but he says he "NEVER said they made this up", now he's saying that I admitted it that they made it up because its a good business trick, really where the hell did I say that? You make things up as you go, damm! read your own posts...see most people can comprehend what I said after reading it only once....but like I said before you are very slow, thats why I told you to read it 20 times, you're not like normal people OK?...I don't care what your Mom says, YOU'RE NOT NORMAL....thats why little kids half your age keep TEASING YOU! 64 -
Unregistered - hahahahahahah 10.20.2005 21:15 Man your dense, When someone says it sounds like you made it up it doesnt mean you did, means it just sounds like something you want to say. If you had any brain power you would know that. Your such a retard but your good at twisting things to make youself sound anything but stupid which you truly are. I/m not going to waste my time with such a dimwitted, a**wipe like you. Blu-ray will win, M$ will be second again and PS3 will be the reigning champion for years to come. Bye Billy boy. hahahahahahahaha 65 -
ONE MORE THING TO SAYUnregistered - hahahahahahahahaha 10.20.2005 21:26 Wow all thats left is Universal which isnt far behind. Warner Bros. Joins Blu-ray Disc Association and Will Release Its Films on Next Generation Blu-ray High Definition Optical Media Disc BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 20, 2005--Warner Bros. Entertainment and its home entertainment division Warner Home Video, which distributes the largest film library of any studio, today announced it has joined the board of directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association and will release its films on the Blu-ray format. Warner Home Video will release titles on the Blu-ray format to support the launch of Blu-ray players in North America, Japan and Europe, giving consumers the ability to enjoy a wide range of new releases and selections from Warner Bros.' vast library and that of New Line and HBO on the Blu-ray format. Blu-ray Disc is a next generation optical disc format developed for high-definition video and high capacity software applications. A single layer Blu-ray Disc will hold up to 25 gigabytes of data and a dual layer Blu-ray Disc will hold up to 50 gigabytes of data. This greater storage capacity enables the Blu-ray Disc to store up to five times the amount of content than is possible with current DVDs. "Consumers will soon be able to enjoy a large selection of catalogue favorites and contemporary hits from Warner's vast library on the Blu-ray format," said Jim Cardwell, President, Warner Home Video. With operations in 90 international territories, Warner Home Video commands the largest distribution infrastructure in the global video marketplace. Warner Home Video's film library is the largest of any studio, offering top quality new and vintage titles from the repertoires of Warner Bros. Pictures Inc., Turner Entertainment Company, Castle Rock Entertainment, HBO Home Video and New Line Home Entertainment. About the Blu-ray Disc Association The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) is responsible for establishing format standards and promoting and further developing business opportunities for Blu-ray Disc -- the next-generation optical disc for storing high-definition movies, games, photos and other digital content. The BDA has over 150 members. Its Board of Directors consists of Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; Walt Disney Pictures and Television and Warner Bros. Entertainment. 66 -
Unregistered - The truth! 10.25.2005 19:50 PS3 Losing Support? Not! September 30th, 2005 | By Henning in PS3 software | At TGS this year 102 games were announced as being in development for the PS3. And yet there are rumours that the PS3 is losing support from developers. The rumours are based on a hard-to-decipher article on a Japanese website. I think we have to keep our heads here, folks. Remember the PS2? It was extremely hard to develop for, but was by far the most successful console last round. Now the PS3 comes along, and Sony has put in a lot of effort to make it easy to develop for, and now supposedly people are abandoning the platform? Sounds like someone trying to make up some news to me. Add Comment |
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